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According to news reports, the Waffle House shooter had his guns taken away from him because he went to the White House and demanded to meet with Trump.

Local police gave the guns to his father on condition he keep them from his son. The father gave them back to the son, who used one to kill four people.

Should the four families be allowed to sue the father for giving the kid his guns back?

Yes? No? Explain your answer.
 
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lawgator1 said:
According to news reports, the Waffle House shooter had his guns taken away from him because he went to the White House and demanded to meet with Trump.

Local police gave the guns to his father on condition he keep them from his son. The father gave them back to the son, who used one to kill four people.

Should the four families be allowed to sue the father for giving the kid his guns back?

Yes? No? Explain your answer.
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Conditionally returned. They will be sued by somebody. Some snake in the grass will take that case on contingency.
 
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lawgator1 said:
According to news reports, the Waffle House shooter had his guns taken away from him because he went to the White House and demanded to meet with Trump.

Local police gave the guns to his father on condition he keep them from his son. The father gave them back to the son, who used one to kill four people.

Should the four families be allowed to sue the father for giving the kid his guns back?

Yes? No? Explain your answer.
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Yes and the father should be criminally prosecuted.

Any parent of a mentally ill person that enables them to hurt themselves or others should be held accountable.
 
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Wow this is shocking. Us gun nutz are universally saying enforce the law and prosecute the father if he indeed did break the law. It’s almost... like... we respect the law and think we should enforce the laws we have in the books instead of using this as more BS leverage to do more gun grabs.

Also. Illionois. Again. All those damn gun laws... sheesh.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Wow this is shocking. Us gun nutz are universally saying enforce the law and prosecute the father if he indeed did break the law. It’s almost... like... we respect the law and think we should enforce the laws we have in the books instead of using this as more BS leverage to do more gun grabs.

Also. Illionois. Again. All those damn gun laws... sheesh.
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If...big if here because I distrust every story I see...if dad voluntarily returned firearms to son, he needs to face penalties.
 
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lawgator1 said:
According to news reports, the Waffle House shooter had his guns taken away from him because he went to the White House and demanded to meet with Trump.

Local police gave the guns to his father on condition he keep them from his son. The father gave them back to the son, who used one to kill four people.

Should the four families be allowed to sue the father for giving the kid his guns back?

Yes? No? Explain your answer.
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If the shooter was a minor when the cops gave the guns back, the question becomes what were the terms of this arrangement? If they told the father something to the effect of hold onto the guns until he turns 18, then the father potentially violated a condition of the release of the guns.

Otherwise, if the shooter was an adult, and say the cops told the father to just hold onto the guns for awhile, then no, I don't see how the father is culpable. At the end of the day, the guns were not kept by the cops because presumably that would have amounted to a taking. If they had probable cause that the shooter was likely to cause physical harm to someone it's the police that are in fact potentially liable not the father.

All in all, it seems unlikely that the dad could be liable to either criminal charges or a civil suit.
 
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It depends on if the father actually broke state or federal law but he can probably be sued for negligence since he knew his sons mental history.
 
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hog88 said:
It depends on if the father actually broke state or federal law but he can probably be sued for negligence since he knew his sons mental history.
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That's my understanding and that is the question. He promised the police he would not give them to the son. He did, knowing there was a serious mental health problem.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
If the shooter was a minor when the cops gave the guns back, the question becomes what were the terms of this arrangement? If they told the father something to the effect of hold onto the guns until he turns 18, then the father potentially violated a condition of the release of the guns.

Otherwise, if the shooter was an adult, and say the cops told the father to just hold onto the guns for awhile, then no, I don't see how the father is culpable. At the end of the day, the guns were not kept by the cops because presumably that would have amounted to a taking. If they had probable cause that the shooter was likely to cause physical harm to someone it's the police that are in fact potentially liable not the father.

All in all, it seems unlikely that the dad could be liable to either criminal charges or a civil suit.
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Incredible. All the gun nutz are saying prosecute or sue the father based on the shooters history and known mental illness to the father and the gun grabber says nah... jees...
 
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lawgator1 said:
According to news reports, the Waffle House shooter had his guns taken away from him because he went to the White House and demanded to meet with Trump.

Local police gave the guns to his father on condition he keep them from his son. The father gave them back to the son, who used one to kill four people.

Should the four families be allowed to sue the father for giving the kid his guns back?

Yes? No? Explain your answer.
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"Be allowed"? WTF does that mean counselor? You people sued the tobacco industry because people are stupid enough to smoke 5 pack/day and need someone to blame for their cancer.

Who's gonna stop them from suing? certainly not the legal profession. I'll bet they already have 50 attorneys champing at the bit to file a suit.
 
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Doubt the guy has any money worth suing over. Sounds like there are grounds for criminal prosecution, though.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
Doubt the guy has any money worth suing over. Sounds like there are grounds for criminal prosecution, though.
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Reports are the family is pretty well off. Regardless, bring criminal charges against the father as a co-conspirator or something along those lines.
 
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Maybe the father is crazy also. genetic? I am amazed the guns were not confiscated permanently by the police when he was stopped near the White House.
 
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lawgator1 said:
According to news reports, the Waffle House shooter had his guns taken away from him because he went to the White House and demanded to meet with Trump.

Local police gave the guns to his father on condition he keep them from his son. The father gave them back to the son, who used one to kill four people.

Should the four families be allowed to sue the father for giving the kid his guns back?

Yes? No? Explain your answer.
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Yes. See "conditions"..
 
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