Travel Ban Win

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But it's over right? 90 days was up about 200 days ago. Or did we spend the last 9 months arguing rather than actually fixing the supposed problem the argument was about?

This is your government at work.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But it's over right? 90 days was up about 200 days ago. Or did we spend the last 9 months arguing rather than actually fixing the supposed problem the argument was about?

This is your government at work.
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It was never enforced, right?


Anyway, make it permanent now.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But it's over right? 90 days was up about 200 days ago. Or did we spend the last 9 months arguing rather than actually fixing the supposed problem the argument was about?

This is your government at work.
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Step two should be rounding up all of those that overstayed their visas from those countries.

Not a fan of the ban but we need to see it through to achieve the shared goal of getting the illegals out or path to citizenship (proper vetting).
 
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tumscalcium said:
It was never enforced, right?

Anyway, make it permanent now.
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What does this have to do with my point? It didn't need to be enforced in order for them to fix anything. The ban was just supposed to bide time. It wasn't part of any solution.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What does this have to do with my point? It didn't need to be enforced in order for them to fix anything. The ban was just supposed to bide time. It wasn't part of any solution.
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It's now about separation of powers. POTUS couldn't let it drop and set a precedent for the judiciary to continue to overreach their powers.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But it's over right? 90 days was up about 200 days ago. Or did we spend the last 9 months arguing rather than actually fixing the supposed problem the argument was about?

This is your government at work.
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Do you admit that his order was constitutional?
 
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hog88 said:
It's now about separation of powers. POTUS couldn't let it drop and set a precedent for the judiciary to continue to overreach their powers.
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This is another way of saying he got so consumed with being right about the law that he forgot to fix the national security problem that was so important to him.

I love the idea that the president is fighting the good fight against judicial overreach against the POTUS...you know the executive branch...the branch most practiced in overreach. Half the **** he does is a **** you to the constitution.
 
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golfballs said:
Do you admit that his order was constitutional?
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Honestly, it's a tough question with legal ambiguities. I don't think the supreme court has ruled Trump's ban is constitutional. I believe the ruling is they'll allow the ban to exist while they argue the constitutionality of the ban. Somebody correct me if I'm misinterpreting events.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is another way of saying he got so consumed with being right about the law that he forgot to fix the national security problem that was so important to him.

I love the idea that the president is fighting the good fight against judicial overreach against the POTUS...you know the executive branch...the branch most practiced in overreach. Half the **** he does is a **** you to the constitution.
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Neither you nor I know what's been fixed or not. Could they even fix it while the courts held it up?

What has he done that is a f you to the constitution? A couple of specifics please.
 
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tumscalcium said:
It has EVERYTHING to do with your point.
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OK, then explain why does the ban needed to be in place for them to fix the vetting process? They needed 90 days to review and update the vetting process. They've had like 300 days. Why is the absence of the ban a valid excuse for their total failure?

Usually I just avoid probing trolls for answers but I'll call you on your BS this time.
 
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hog88 said:
Neither you nor I know what's been fixed or not. Could they even fix it while the courts held it up?

What has he done that is a f you to the constitution? A couple of specifics please.
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If you're an original intent guy, then basically every war/military operation right now is constitutionally illegal. If you're an original intent guy, basically every aspect of every XO is unconstitutional.

If anything's been fixed, don't you think we would have heard about it? Doesn't seem like they'd keep a triumph secret from us.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, then explain why does the ban needed to be in place for them to fix the vetting process? They needed 90 days to review and update the vetting process. They've had like 300 days. Why is the absence of the ban a valid excuse for their total failure?

Usually I just avoid probing trolls for answers but I'll call you on your BS this time.
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As you’ve already pointed out, that’s how government works. The “process”, whatever it may be, needs to be shut down to review, screw up, and implement. Whether you like it or not that’s how it is.

Back to my original reply, i believe it hasn’t even started.

Trolls calling others trolls humor me.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If you're an original intent guy, then basically every war/military operation right now is constitutionally illegal. If you're an original intent guy, basically every aspect of every XO is unconstitutional.

If anything's been fixed, don't you think we would have heard about it? Doesn't seem like they'd keep a triumph secret from us.
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You're wrong about the war/military action. Congress has given the president the authority, congress can abdicate their own power.

All XOs are not unconstitutional.
 
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tumscalcium said:
As you’ve already pointed out, that’s how government works. The “process”, whatever it may be, needs to be shut down to review, screw up, and implement. Whether you like it or not that’s how it is.

Back to my original reply, i believe it hasn’t even started.

Trolls calling others trolls humor me.
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I'm not sure he's grasping the fact that that was all you were asking.
 
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hog88 said:
You're wrong about the war/military action. Congress has given the president the authority, congress can abdicate their own power.

All XOs are not unconstitutional.
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Beat me to it. He knows nothing about the military.
 
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hog88 said:
You're wrong about the war/military action. Congress has given the president the authority, congress can abdicate their own power.

All XOs are not unconstitutional.
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Where does it say that in the constitution?

I didn't say all XO's are unconstitutional. Can you point me to a recent one that isn't?
 
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tumscalcium said:
As you’ve already pointed out, that’s how government works. The “process”, whatever it may be, needs to be shut down to review, screw up, and implement. Whether you like it or not that’s how it is.
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This is completely made up nonsense
 
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