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Old 12-02-2017, 05:13 PM   #16
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Estimates and projections are absolutely worthless. Your argument is good but this "supporting evidence" is garbage.
Since I don't have a time machine and Ms Cleo is dead no one can see the future.

They could be wrong but I'm siding with the guys with advanced degrees in mathematics and finance over a best guess from a career partisan politician.
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:17 PM   #17
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I'm an old guy and the wife and I are fine. I feel for young families and working people. I don't see how this benefits them or the economy. It is not populist legislation. Hopefully Democrats will fix it in three years.
Since read and analyzed it?

What hurts “working people” and young families?
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Old 12-02-2017, 05:19 PM   #18
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Since I don't have a time machine and Ms Cleo is dead no one can see the future.

They could be wrong but I'm siding with the guys with advanced degrees in mathematics and finance over a best guess from a career partisan politician.
Weak and lazy.

A simple Google search of estimates and projections versus actual numbers with revenues and spending of proposed/passed bills would give ample data.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:37 PM   #19
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Since read and analyzed it?

What hurts “working people” and young families?
All you really have to know is that it was written by Republicans. You guys have this insane belief that if the money is allowed to go to the top it somehow miraculously finds its way down to everyone else in the way of more jobs and higher wages. This was tried under Reagan and failed. The wealthy hoarded the money. CEOs and officers were awarded huge bonuses and golden parachutes. Workers wages didn't improve accordingly. Instead of more workers being hired the corporations just demanded more production and more hours not to mention cuts in benefits.

On top of that the deficit began to balloon and taxes eventually had to be raised.

Beware if we have a recession under this bill the deficit will absolutely explode.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:51 PM   #20
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That’s a pretty silly position. REPUBLICAN BAD is just a knee jerk reaction to the whole thing. I don’t see how doubling the standard deduction hurts the young and lower earners. It simplifies their tax calculation and lowers their bill. Same with increased child credits and the new dependent credit. And whether you want to believe it or not you pay corporate taxes. They are a pass through straight to the consumer.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:52 PM   #21
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All you really have to know is that it was written by Republicans. You guys have this insane belief that if the money is allowed to go to the top it somehow miraculously finds its way down to everyone else in the way of more jobs and higher wages. This was tried under Reagan and failed. The wealthy hoarded the money. CEOs and officers were awarded huge bonuses and golden parachutes. Workers wages didn't improve accordingly. Instead of more workers being hired the corporations just demanded more production and more hours not to mention cuts in benefits.

On top of that the deficit began to balloon and taxes eventually had to be raised.

Beware if we have a recession under this bill the deficit will absolutely explode.
So you don’t know **** about it, just whining.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:56 PM   #22
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That’s a pretty silly position. REPUBLICAN BAD is just a knee jerk reaction to the whole thing. I don’t see how doubling the standard deduction hurts the young and lower earners. It simplifies their tax calculation and lowers their bill. Same with increased child credits and the new dependent credit. And whether you want to believe it or not you pay corporate taxes. They are a pass through straight to the consumer.
And you think if you lower the corporate tax they are going to pass that on down to you in lower prices? Big LOL

Do you know how corporations make more money. By having a large middle class making a good living and buying more and better goods. Give the breaks to the working class and it will tickle up. But it will never trickle down.

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Old 12-02-2017, 07:02 PM   #23
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They could be wrong but I'm siding with the guys with advanced degrees in mathematics and finance over a best guess from a career partisan politician.
They could be wrong... either intentionally or unintentionally. Unintentionally wrong suggests that their models were correct but situations beyond their control occurred. Or, they could be intentionally wrong (boldfaced liars).
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All you really have to know is that it was written by Republicans. You guys have this insane belief that if the money is allowed to go to the top it somehow miraculously finds its way down to everyone else in the way of more jobs and higher wages. This was tried under Reagan and failed. The wealthy hoarded the money. CEOs and officers were awarded huge bonuses and golden parachutes. Workers wages didn't improve accordingly. Instead of more workers being hired the corporations just demanded more production and more hours not to mention cuts in benefits.

On top of that the deficit began to balloon and taxes eventually had to be raised.

Beware if we have a recession under this bill the deficit will absolutely explode.
So wait, did YOU read it?

I've asked this twice now and still haven't gotten an answer.
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:22 PM   #25
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So wait, did YOU read it?

I've asked this twice now and still haven't gotten an answer.
Every fracking word and analysis by sources I trust. Why don't you go over it line by line and explain it to us.
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Every fracking word and analysis by sources I trust. Why don't you go over it line by line and explain it to us.
You’re the one acting like a little ***** over it, why don’t you explain what’s bad about it?
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:43 PM   #27
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You’re the one acting like a little ***** over it, why don’t you explain what’s bad about it?
Allow me:
Rich people won't pay fair share. Corporations get breaks and will keep the extra instead of reducing prices. Poor and middle class hardest hit. Unacceptable deficits (first time concerned but whatevs).

How'd I do; did I pass the socialist test ?
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Allow me:
Rich people won't pay fair share. Corporations get breaks and will keep the extra instead of reducing prices. Poor and middle class hardest hit. Unacceptable deficits (first time concerned but whatevs).

How'd I do; did I pass the socialist test ?
Need a wee bit more venom and crying.
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Every fracking word and analysis by sources I trust. Why don't you go over it line by line and explain it to us.
All you have to do is copy and past here the sections that you have discomfort with.
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Liberals are in the death throes. If trump is successful in lowering taxes and stimulating the economy its the end of the Democratic Party as we know it. There is no lie they won't tell and no action they won't take to stop it from happening. In the peoples best interest, right! Media is behind them but its too late.
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