CO2 Atmospheric Levels Reach Record High

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Somebody needs to find a way to stop those dang volcanoes!!! If this continues, the dinosaurs are going to be killed off!!!
 
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This nervous hand wringing is meaningless.

One, CO2 is not a pollutant.

the US is quickly moving towards lower emitting and lower carbon emitting forms of energy and has been for years. More fuel efficient vehicles are replacing gas guzzlers and alt fuel options are moving into the mainstream. The same is happening in Europe. Nuclear energy has replaced carbon plants all across Europe, yet those same people who complain about CO2 are the same ones that have fought nuclear energy.

The fact is, developed countries are moving in the right direction. Undeveloped countries, not so much. Here's the rub. These hand wringers want to solve the issues by imposing more restriction and penalty on the developed countries, which are the ones implementing the advances. Talk to China, Russia and India as well as the hundreds of countries that contribute nothing.
 
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Most Republicans and some VN members know that science brought us out of the stone age, through The Renaissance, The Industrial Revolution, The Space Age and into the Age of Electronics. Marvels of science and engineering abound throughout the world and literally on every street corner. Our understanding of our planet and the universe are at a level that could not have been imagined fifty years ago.

But just let the scientists try to tell a Republican that human produced carbon emissions and it's inevitable buildup in the atmosphere are not good for the earth and our future and their only answer is the echo from a Republican talking point.





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No. the response is that it is not the ONLY answer. Even if the US went to absolute zero emissions it would only lower the curve for 5years. So the US doing its part isn't the answer. We are going down, the rest of the world is going up. Oddly many of the nations that will be the worst effected are the worst offenders, as far as increasing emissions. You guys talk out of both sides of your mouth "look at what CHina is doing" well China is lying their but off, and producing more waste and pollution than ever. The EU makes lists of demands despite the heavy environmental impacts of those choices, and that they are doing things that other nations couldn't do. Most nations can't do geothermal, yet that is part of the EUs plan to save the world. won't work if 90% of the world doesn't have easy access to it.

You guys are so top down in your requirements that you come off phony as all get out. similar to big spending GOP talking about saving money.
 
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Most Republicans and some VN members know that science brought us out of the stone age, through The Renaissance, The Industrial Revolution, The Space Age and into the Age of Electronics. Marvels of science and engineering abound throughout the world and literally on every street corner. Our understanding of our planet and the universe are at a level that could not have been imagined fifty years ago.

But just let the scientists try to tell a Republican that human produced carbon emissions and it's inevitable buildup in the atmosphere are not good for the earth and our future and their only answer is the echo from a Republican talking point.
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Maybe you Dimms should move to other parts of the world and spread your word. Maybe go to China or India and solve the problem.
 
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Most Republicans and some VN members know that science brought us out of the stone age, through The Renaissance, The Industrial Revolution, The Space Age and into the Age of Electronics. Marvels of science and engineering abound throughout the world and literally on every street corner. Our understanding of our planet and the universe are at a level that could not have been imagined fifty years ago.

But just let the scientists try to tell a Republican that human produced carbon emissions and it's inevitable buildup in the atmosphere are not good for the earth and our future and their only answer is the echo from a Republican talking point.





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"Science" also gave us racist eugenics, lobotomies, and a whole host of other things we'd like to sweep under the carpet. The other side of your argument works against the conclusion you're trying to foster.

It's lazy to sidetrack discussion and debate by deifying "science".
 
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Most Republicans and some VN members know that science brought us out of the stone age, through The Renaissance, The Industrial Revolution, The Space Age and into the Age of Electronics. Marvels of science and engineering abound throughout the world and literally on every street corner. Our understanding of our planet and the universe are at a level that could not have been imagined fifty years ago.

But just let the scientists try to tell a Republican that human produced carbon emissions and it's inevitable buildup in the atmosphere are not good for the earth and our future and their only answer is the echo from a Republican talking point.

There are issues where liberals are science deniers (GMO's, for example), too. Whenever somebody doesn't like the political implications of science, they are cynical about it.

It's too politicized and there is too much disconnect.

Wise man say, this is a problem and we need a feasible solution and hopefully we don't need the government.

Confused angry man say, it's not a problem at all or give the government all the power and money it needs to try and fix it right now or we're all going to die.

The food pyramid, which was recommended by the government, ruined the diets of multiple generations. They told us to avoid fats and to eat sugars, which has proven to have catastrophic consequences. There are 678k diet-related deaths each year. Be careful when you ask for the government to lead the way in science.
 
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thank God industry has found the answer. We will suck the carbon right out of the air.

In Switzerland, a giant new machine is sucking carbon directly from the air | Science | AAAS
The world’s first “negative emissions” plant has opened in Iceland—turning carbon dioxide into stone — Quartz

three plants active at this time. Switzerland, Iceland, and US.

So a bit like the scifi idea of "atmosphere processors" to make a planet habitable (ex Aliens) but here. I guess in theory it should work.

I wonder if that idea not have the monetary/political power of regulating CO2 will be an issue?
 
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Finally I read something interesting in this forum.

Thanks! :hi:

the tech out there right now is amazing. I can't wait to see what it will be like it 20 years. there are building finishes with a similar function. the air filters through and it catches the larger particles and even the sun breaks them down. rain washes it away. doesn't work on the micro stuff but the possibilities are fascinating.

the problem with a lot of them are two fold. 1. cost, but that will and has gone down. 2. the government, even under Obama they wouldn't recognize the potential of new products and wouldn't classify them as green for credits.
 
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So a bit like the scifi idea of "atmosphere processors" to make a planet habitable (ex Aliens) but here. I guess in theory it should work.

I wonder if that idea not have the monetary/political power of regulating CO2 will be an issue?

one of the plants is just pumping it into the ground. I don't like that option. but some of the other stuff should be plausible.
 
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"Science" also gave us racist eugenics, lobotomies, and a whole host of other things we'd like to sweep under the carpet. The other side of your argument works against the conclusion you're trying to foster.

It's lazy to sidetrack discussion and debate by deifying "science".

Lobotomy was never a universally accepted medical practice and ended very quickly. Eugenics was and still is a Social Philosophy and not endorsed by science.

Yes science has been proven wrong on many occasions. But this is a big one to be dismissed offhanded.

P.S. What are the host of other things that have global implications that we'd like to sweep under the carpet.
 
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It's not cost-effective yet, is it?

no. these are just pilot stations to prove the concept. right now the only way it COULD work is geothermal which is a huge cost. one thing I don't think they have looked at is what else can they filter, catch, and possibly refine for resale? it still adds cost but it doesn't require a different plant.
 

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