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03-24-2007, 05:44 PM
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| | Through the Valley....
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| Illegial Immigrants....
What are everyone's thoughts on Illegal Immigrants?? This is one topic I don't see much about on here.
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03-24-2007, 06:05 PM
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| | doo doo doo
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| Guest worker program
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03-24-2007, 07:34 PM
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| | Valid Victorian
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Originally Posted by volinbham  Guest worker program | Agreed.
Until someone else wants to work manual labor for cheap, I see no reason why you would be against them. | |
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03-24-2007, 08:49 PM
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| | Rational Thought Allowed?
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Originally Posted by g8terh8ter_eric What are everyone's thoughts on Illegal Immigrants?? This is one topic I don't see much about on here. | Search for "immigration" in the archives. I am sure you will find plenty of what you are looking for.
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03-24-2007, 09:00 PM
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| | GO VOLS
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| Let em in, and collect the taxes | |
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03-25-2007, 01:09 AM
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| | The Buckskin Buccaneer
Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Connecticut
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| The one thing i hate is the "they do jobs Americans won't do"...this is saying that Americans are unwilling to bust ass doing construction and such, as i do that for an average wage (round-about 40k a year). however, the few Mexicans i have dealt with have impressed me alot with their timeliness and work ethic. | |
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03-25-2007, 12:28 PM
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| | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis The one thing i hate is the "they do jobs Americans won't do"...this is saying that Americans are unwilling to bust ass doing construction and such, as i do that for an average wage (round-about 40k a year). however, the few Mexicans i have dealt with have impressed me alot with their timeliness and work ethic. | I say, if you pay them, don't pay them less. Pay them the same as you would an American.  | |
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03-25-2007, 02:58 PM
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| | Rational Thought Allowed?
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Originally Posted by Tenn_Vol_Authority I say, if you pay them, don't pay them less. Pay them the same as you would an American. | I say you will never run a very successful business with that attitude. Have you ever had an econ class on wage competition?
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LG, when I think of UT football I think about world class sprinter WR's, like Gault,...fast bruising hard to tackle RB's, great OL play and a D that'll knock your d**k in the dirt. That's from the Johnny Major era thru the Philip Fulmer era.--HIGHTIDE 25 APR
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03-25-2007, 10:53 PM
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| | Through the Valley....
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Originally Posted by volinbham Guest worker program | They are not even in this country legally, so why let them work??? Too many businesses have gotten away with this crap of hiring them. Hey if they want to cut my grass for a living that's fine, but do it legally. How many of you think you would not get shot if you tried to cross into Mexico illegally?? They will shoot you, but no one is trying to cross their border illegally. Its like this, you gonna just let someone come into your home and live and not pay rent or clean-up after themselves and you don't know them?? I don't think so. Also there is more at stake here than just the jobs. The health of our children and minorities that are here legally are in trouble too. Tuberculosis cases are rising dramatically in certain areas of the country and if these people aren't immunized correctly and documented then they might pass it on to your kids and it might kill them. TB is curable but its a pain in your backside if you get it.
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03-26-2007, 04:36 AM
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| | Rational Thought Allowed?
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| "Why let them work?" The right to work is as basic a human right as there is. If they wish to complete a task for less money, then that is who I would hire if I were running a business. I could care less about what would happen if I crossed in to Mexico, because I have not read a single word of Mexico's basic document concerning the government of Mexico. I have read the Constitution though. It seems to me that it is unconstitutional to have a minimum wage. It also seems unconstitutional, and down right anti-liberty and anti-free-market, to have closed borders or immigration quotas. Maybe that is just the non-rascist in me...
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LG, when I think of UT football I think about world class sprinter WR's, like Gault,...fast bruising hard to tackle RB's, great OL play and a D that'll knock your d**k in the dirt. That's from the Johnny Major era thru the Philip Fulmer era.--HIGHTIDE 25 APR
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03-26-2007, 09:10 AM
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| | Through the Valley....
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Originally Posted by therealUT "Why let them work?" The right to work is as basic a human right as there is. If they wish to complete a task for less money, then that is who I would hire if I were running a business. I could care less about what would happen if I crossed in to Mexico, because I have not read a single word of Mexico's basic document concerning the government of Mexico. I have read the Constitution though. It seems to me that it is unconstitutional to have a minimum wage. It also seems unconstitutional, and down right anti-liberty and anti-free-market, to have closed borders or immigration quotas. Maybe that is just the non-rascist in me... | This is not a racist issue. This is they are taking money from the tax payers issue. Illegal immigrants cost the tax payers billions of dollars no matter how you cut it. Also they like to steal identities to get things here in this country. Believe it or not they steal the identities of other hispanics in this country and use their ID's for Welfare and other government programs. They are also given preferential treatment because they are a minority, so if we speak up about things we are being politically incorrect. Our country is a great country, but it can't let them have amnesty or a guest worker program.
Ok here is another way to look at it. If we do give them amnesty, how do we know who is illgeal and legal??? You can't tell me we know who is and who isn't. Also, then do we COMPLETELY close the border?? WE should if that's what we do.
I don't know if its been discussed here but there is something that ALL Americans should know about. If you don't know about the SPP and how it affects you then read this... StopSPP.org - Connecting The Dots Coming Through! The NAFTA Super Highway North American Union to Replace the USA? by Jerome R. Corsi - HUMAN EVENTS
You can read and believe what you want, but we NEED to know the truth about what is going on in Washington. Some of this may or may not be true, but you have to wonder why Bush favors amnesty.
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03-26-2007, 09:21 AM
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| | "Go Pack! Go Pack!"
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| i'm with you Eric big time. What about all the immigrants who came to America legally? Why should we reward people breaking the law when there are many who have done it the right way. And speaking of people having rights, when you break the law and are here illegally you have no rights. How can you have rights in a country that you technically don't exist in?
If we let all these people in, white black, red or pink we will become a third world country. With all due respect I don't want to live in Mexico and by the looks of it I will be living in Mexico in the next thirty years. | |
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03-26-2007, 01:32 PM
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| | Giver of Sexy
Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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Originally Posted by g8terh8ter_eric This is not a racist issue. This is they are taking money from the tax payers issue. Illegal immigrants cost the tax payers billions of dollars no matter how you cut it. Also they like to steal identities to get things here in this country. Believe it or not they steal the identities of other hispanics in this country and use their ID's for Welfare and other government programs. They are also given preferential treatment because they are a minority, so if we speak up about things we are being politically incorrect. Our country is a great country, but it can't let them have amnesty or a guest worker program.
Ok here is another way to look at it. If we do give them amnesty, how do we know who is illgeal and legal??? You can't tell me we know who is and who isn't. Also, then do we COMPLETELY close the border?? WE should if that's what we do.
I don't know if its been discussed here but there is something that ALL Americans should know about. If you don't know about the SPP and how it affects you then read this... StopSPP.org - Connecting The Dots Coming Through! The NAFTA Super Highway North American Union to Replace the USA? by Jerome R. Corsi - HUMAN EVENTS
You can read and believe what you want, but we NEED to know the truth about what is going on in Washington. Some of this may or may not be true, but you have to wonder why Bush favors amnesty. | I am going to say what I always say when it comes to this. If you want to kick all of the illegal immigrants out of this country, that is fine, as soon as someone gives the Native Americans back all the land the white Europeans stole from them and in turn ships us all back to Europe.
Edit: And for the record, plenty of illegal immigrants pay taxes. | |
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03-26-2007, 02:16 PM
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| | doo doo doo
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Originally Posted by emainvol I am going to say what I always say when it comes to this. If you want to kick all of the illegal immigrants out of this country, that is fine, as soon as someone gives the Native Americans back all the land the white Europeans stole from them and in turn ships us all back to Europe.
| The key difference is that we made ourselves legal... 
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03-26-2007, 02:19 PM
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| | "Go Pack! Go Pack!"
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