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03-07-2007, 10:46 AM
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| Reid demands "no-pardon" pledge from Bush
Didn't take long to add more political advantage seeking to what has been a long, messy story of seeking political advantage.
Harry Reid is saying this all about pre-war intelligence and Bush must pledge to not pardon Libby. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/03...y2540932.shtml
What a shock!
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03-07-2007, 12:21 PM
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| Reid should go piss up a rope and learn about the separation of powers.
I didn't care for some of the pardons Clinton threw out there, but there's no way I'd want to see the President's ability to do so hindered or taken away.
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03-07-2007, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OWB  Yeah, Libby is really innocent. That would be an outrage. | Yeah, Reid isn't out to take political advantage of the situation - that would be an outrage.
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03-07-2007, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by volinbham Yeah, Reid isn't out to take political advantage of the situation - that would be an outrage. | Why does every thing have to be political?
Libby was found guilty, and shouldn't be pardoned.
And to MG1968, where has Reid called for this power to be taken away? In the article he just says Libby shouldn't be pardoned. | |
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03-07-2007, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Why does every thing have to be political?
Libby was found guilty, and shouldn't be pardoned.
And to MG1968, where has Reid called for this power to be taken away? In the article he just says Libby shouldn't be pardoned. | When did pardons become the prerogative of the Senate Majority Leader? To imply this wasn't politics again renders your opinion as worthy of 100% of my ability to disregard. | 
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03-07-2007, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol When did pardons become the prerogative of the Senate Majority Leader? To imply this wasn't politics again renders your opinion as worthy of 100% of my ability to disregard. | When did any decision the president makes have higher regard than the first amendment? It's his right and job to call that moron out. Libby was found guilty of the crime. Are you really saying Reid has no authority to have an opinion on the issue?
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03-08-2007, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude When did any decision the president makes have higher regard than the first amendment? It's his right and job to call that moron out. Libby was found guilty of the crime. Are you really saying Reid has no authority to have an opinion on the issue? | Reid can voice an opinion.
Bush can equally say FU to Reid and issue a pardon to anyone he pleases.
Both actions are officially sanctioned by the Founders and the Constitution ---- (strains of God Bless America...)
Both are also political moves.
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03-08-2007, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Why does every thing have to be political? | I wish it weren't but this entire episode has been nothing but politics...Reid's actions included.
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03-08-2007, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude
And to MG1968, where has Reid called for this power to be taken away? In the article he just says Libby shouldn't be pardoned.
| as a Senator, Reid is in no position to demand anything of the President, particularly when it comes to powers given to the President by the Constitution.
Reid can hold a press conference and give an opinion on why Libby shouldn't be pardoned, but he oversteps his role when he just assumes he can tell the President what to do.
Libby should be pardoned, or at least never serve a day in jail. If Sandy Berger can compromise national security by stuffing top secret documents down his pants and then hiding them underneath a construction trailer, and then be slapped on the wrist with probation and community service, Libby should receive no worse.
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03-08-2007, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MG1968
Libby should be pardoned, or at least never serve a day in jail. If Sandy Berger can compromise national security by stuffing top secret documents down his pants and then hiding them underneath a construction trailer, and then be slapped on the wrist with probation and community service, Libby should receive no worse.
| Exactly. While we're at it, everyone should get away with murder because O.J. did. | |
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03-08-2007, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OWB Exactly. While we're at it, everyone should get away with murder because O.J. did. | you're not prone to exaggeration are you?
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03-08-2007, 09:44 AM
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| Yeah, the damage is already done so why not pardon the scapegoat? Maybe Libby needs to contribute some money to someone and then buy out his pardon. Or tell Dick he's going to spill the beans if he doesn't get his pardon. | |
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03-08-2007, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CSpindizzy Yeah, the damage is already done so why not pardon the scapegoat? Maybe Libby needs to contribute some money to someone and then buy out his pardon. Or tell Dick he's going to spill the beans if he doesn't get his pardon. | Exactly why he will get a pardon. This is risk management. The political fallout will come with either, but it will be much worse if he spills the beans. | |
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03-08-2007, 09:49 AM
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| But the flipside is can this get any worse? We know the basics, we see Iraq, and the WH credibility is very low....what is left? Anything of Watergate proportions? | |
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