The Trump-Russian connection and why both are doing what they are doing

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George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs | TheHill


George Will, who we all know is no fan of Trump's is suggesting that the reason Trump seems to keep announcing policy positions endearing to the Russians is because he is financially connected to and indeed dependent on them. He suggests that one reason Trump won't release his tax returns is that they will show that Trump is indebted to the Russians, and Putin and his allies, in particular.

The Friday release by WikiLeaks of those emails, which appear to show an effort by DNC officials to lead a campaign against Clinton's primary rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), led to the resignation of DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who will step down after the convention.


"Both the campaign chair and anybody you talk to, including Sen. [Chris] Murphy [D-Conn.] would not go down that road once pressed on the connection between Russia and the Trump campaign," said Baier. "But they have thrown it out there. George?"


"Well, it's the sort of thing we might learn if we saw the candidate's tax returns," Will responded. "Perhaps one more reason why we're not seeing his tax returns — because he is deeply involved in dealing with Russian oligarchs and others. Whether that's good, bad or indifferent, it's probably the reasonable surmise."


So let's examine this in a bit more detail, to see if there is any "there" there. And when you look into it, it is quite alarming and ominous.

Why George Will Might Be Right About Vladimir Putin's Hold Over Donald Trump (VIDEO) | RedState

...At a minimum, Trump appears to have a deep financial dependence on Russian money from persons close to Putin. And this is matched to a conspicuous solicitousness to Russian foreign policy interests where they come into conflict with US policies which go back decades through administrations of both parties. There is also something between a non-trivial and a substantial amount of evidence suggesting Putin-backed financial support for Trump or a non-tacit alliance between the two men.
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2. Post-bankruptcy Trump has been highly reliant on money from Russia, most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs and sub-garchs close to Vladimir Putin. Here's a good overview from The Washington Post, with one morsel for illustration ...
Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.
“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
Read both articles: After his bankruptcy and business failures roughly a decade ago Trump has had an increasingly difficult time finding sources of capital for new investments. As I noted above, Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks with the exception of Deutschebank, which is of course a foreign bank with a major US presence. He has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia. At a minimum the Trump organization is receiving lots of investment capital from people close to Vladimir Putin. Trump's tax returns would likely clarify the depth of his connections to and dependence on Russian capital aligned with Putin. And in case you're keeping score at home: no, that's not reassuring.
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4. Then there's Paul Manafort, Trump's nominal 'campaign chair' who now functions as campaign manager and top advisor. Manafort spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor for Viktor Yanukovych, the pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine. Yanukovych was and remains a close Putin ally. Manafort is running Trump's campaign.


5. Trump's foreign policy advisor on Russia and Europe is Carter Page, a man whose entire professional career has revolved around investments in Russia and who has deep and continuing financial and employment ties to Gazprom. If you're not familiar with Gazprom, imagine if most or all of the US energy industry were rolled up into a single company and it were personally controlled by the US President who used it as a source of revenue and patronage. That is Gazprom's role in the Russian political and economic system. It is no exaggeration to say that you cannot be involved with Gazprom at the very high level which Page has been without being wholly in alignment with Putin's policies. Those ties also allow Putin to put Page out of business at any time.
6. Over the course of the last year, Putin has aligned all Russian state controlled media behind Trump.
Let's pause for a moment here. In paragraph 6, Marshall refers to a Frank Foer (our motto: nothing to fear but Foer himself) article which is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy on steroids and PCP. Still, it bears reading though with the utmost skepticism.
7. Here's where it gets more interesting. This is one of a handful of developments that tipped me from seeing all this as just a part of Trump's larger shadiness to something more specific and ominous about the relationship between Putin and Trump. ... The Trump Camp was totally indifferent to the platform. So party activists were able to write one of the most conservative platforms in history. Not with Trump's backing but because he simply didn't care. With one big exception: Trump's team mobilized the nominee's traditional mix of cajoling and strong-arming on one point: changing the party platform on assistance to Ukraine against Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine. (editor's note: see my post on this for more details) For what it's worth (and it's not worth much) I am quite skeptical of most Republicans call for aggressively arming Ukraine to resist Russian aggression. But the single-mindedness of this focus on this one issue - in the context of total indifference to everything else in the platform - speaks volumes.


Trump has screwed over US banks and other banks in the West. They won't deal with him. But he and the family are getting tons of money from Russia. And his campaign manager wants him to take a soft line on Russia in the Ukraine. And his campaign made ONE change to the platform -- back off of contesting Putin in the Ukraine.

This is not going away, folks.
 
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George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs | TheHill


George Will, who we all know is no fan of Trump's is suggesting that the reason Trump seems to keep announcing policy positions endearing to the Russians is because he is financially connected to and indeed dependent on them. He suggests that one reason Trump won't release his tax returns is that they will show that Trump is indebted to the Russians, and Putin and his allies, in particular.




So let's examine this in a bit more detail, to see if there is any "there" there. And when you look into it, it is quite alarming and ominous.

Why George Will Might Be Right About Vladimir Putin's Hold Over Donald Trump (VIDEO) | RedState




Trump has screwed over US banks and other banks in the West. They won't deal with him. But he and the family are getting tons of money from Russia. And his campaign manager wants him to take a soft line on Russia in the Ukraine. And his campaign made ONE change to the platform -- back off of contesting Putin in the Ukraine.

This is not going away, folks.

But... He's going to build a wall.
 
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Lmao

That's why he won't show his tax returns?

Let me guess, the reason Obama won't show his college transcripts is because it will show he was a foreign student applying for finical aid and grants...
 
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Trump has screwed over US banks and other banks in the West. They won't deal with him. But he and the family are getting tons of money from Russia. And his campaign manager wants him to take a soft line on Russia in the Ukraine. And his campaign made ONE change to the platform -- back off of contesting Putin in the Ukraine.

This is not going away, folks.

I say Trump needs to turn over his tax records and Hillary needs to release the CF donor list and financials.

BTW GW sounds like a scorned ex.
 
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That's why he won't show his tax returns?

Let me guess, the reason Obama won't show his college transcripts is because it will show he was a foreign student applying for finical aid and grants...

None of that would be on his personal returns anyway, Will knows that.
 
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This isn't going away either, folks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/23/us/clinton-foundation-donations-uranium-investors.html

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George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs | TheHill


George Will, who we all know is no fan of Trump's is suggesting that the reason Trump seems to keep announcing policy positions endearing to the Russians is because he is financially connected to and indeed dependent on them. He suggests that one reason Trump won't release his tax returns is that they will show that Trump is indebted to the Russians, and Putin and his allies, in particular.




So let's examine this in a bit more detail, to see if there is any "there" there. And when you look into it, it is quite alarming and ominous.

Why George Will Might Be Right About Vladimir Putin's Hold Over Donald Trump (VIDEO) | RedState




Trump has screwed over US banks and other banks in the West. They won't deal with him. But he and the family are getting tons of money from Russia. And his campaign manager wants him to take a soft line on Russia in the Ukraine. And his campaign made ONE change to the platform -- back off of contesting Putin in the Ukraine.

This is not going away, folks.

Of course it's not going away. The liberal media will keep making stuff up and whatever the DNC and Clinton tell them to say they will say.

The sad part about this is all the dummycrats and liberals will eat this up, like cows eating silage.

If these released emails show us anything it's how the media and the democrats are in bed together, how the democrats really feel about their supporters, and how corrupt the Democratic Party really is.

Law you always avoid my questions and never answer them, is it because you scared of looking dumber than you already do? I am going to try one more time.

With the released emails that show a conspiracy between the media and democrats to control the news, do you actually believe anything released by the liberal media?

The emails showed the democratic party disdain for their voters and supporters, does this not make you angry that you are thought of as a cow?

New released emails show a spreadsheet with names of Clinton donors who will be named cabinet members because of donations amounts, is this not criminal? And unethical? Is your name on this list?
 
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The claim — which Will could not support with any tangible proof

These are as baseless as the "aggresive" Russia/Putin claims that the liberal propaganda machine constantly spew...
 
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Aras Agalarov is the middle man between Trump & Putin. He & other Russians invested $14 million into Trump owned companies. Carter Page's connections to GRAZPRAM and Paul Manafort's actions in Ukraine on Putin's behave in Ukraine doesn't help the accusation that Putin is in favor of Trump.
 
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Wouldn't it have been easier to just come out and blame Trump for the email hack? That's all in the world this is. You want to yell "squirrel!" and then have the party wipe the egg off its face while the stupid masses look the other way.
 
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George Will is acting like a petulant child, funny how the emphasis of the content is being ignored as opposed to who hacked their server. Give me a ****ing break, Putin already knows Hiliary will be more of the same feckless leadership and if they do have her emails she would be a prime target for extortion. Typical libtard deflection by the democrats ..
 
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Wouldn't it have been easier to just come out and blame Trump for the email hack? That's all in the world this is. You want to yell "squirrel!" and then have the party wipe the egg off its face while the stupid masses look the other way.

Bingo
 
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Aras Agalarov is the middle man between Trump & Putin. He & other Russians invested $14 million into Trump owned companies. Carter Page's connections to GRAZPRAM and Paul Manafort's actions in Ukraine on Putin's behave in Ukraine doesn't help the accusation that Putin is in favor of Trump.

So what? You think these all these foreign leaders have our best interest at heart?

Hillary Clinton says foreign leaders are privately reaching out to her to ask if they can endorse her to stop Donald Trump from becoming president of the United States.

"I am already receiving messages from leaders," Clinton told an Ohio audience at a Democratic presidential town hall on Sunday night.

"I'm having foreign leaders ask if they can endorse me to stop Donald Trump."

Clinton says foreign leaders want to endorse her to stop Trump | TheHill
 
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George Will is acting like a petulant child, funny how the emphasis of the content is being ignored as opposed to who hacked their server. Give me a ****ing break, Putin already knows Hiliary will be more of the same feckless leadership and if they do have her emails she would be a prime target for extortion. Typical libtard deflection by the democrats ..

George Will, S.E. Cupp et al are all being smug passive aggressive in all of this. There probably something as pathetic happening in conservative media as what was leaked about the DNC.
 
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These are as baseless as the "aggresive" Russia/Putin claims that the liberal propaganda machine constantly spew...

Yep... this is where LG typically steps in with his post about "so the OP created this thread based on nothing but rumors and speculation, a mish-mash of he said/she said, and somehow thought this was thread worthy".

I'm sure he'll be along with similar comments any time now. :zeitung_lesen:
 
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Currently, we're completely governed by faux outrage and false narratives from both the left and the right. The sad part is, it's not even hard to spot anymore.
 
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"When a reporter asked Trump if he had "any qualms about asking a foreign government, Russia, China, anybody, to interfere, to hack into a system of anybody in this country" or if it gave him "pause," he responded, "No, it gives me no pause."
 

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