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Old 02-22-2016, 01:23 AM   #1
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Along those same lines:

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That would put a serious hurting on the budget being that California has a GDP roughly equal to the southeastern us.
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That would put a serious hurting on the budget being that California has a GDP roughly equal to the southeastern us.
I'll gladly take the chance.
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The democratic party would be brought to it's knees
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I would probably go with them. It would culturally be America and no federal government...
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I would probably go with them. It would culturally be America and no federal government...
Think Sacramento will just cede to the counties?
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I thought they were pushing to divide into like 7 different states.
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I thought they were pushing to divide into like 7 different states.
Is that part of this plan? I've heard of them wanting to divide into 5 states, but didn't know that it had anything to do with secession.
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Think Sacramento will just cede to the counties?
Do you mean that there would be no CA national government? I think there certainly would be, but I meant that it wouldn't be like our federal government.

Our federal government started as a union of nations. Now we are not that. We are one nation and we are too big.

California would have a similar setup, I'm sure....but it would start as one nation, with a few states, but the point is this nation would be 1/6 the size of the US and the national government would likely have to be more responsive to the people. I can't see the nation of CA spending endless amounts of $ on war in the ME.
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Can they take the EPA with them?

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Do you mean that there would be no CA national government? I think there certainly would be, but I meant that it wouldn't be like our federal government.

Our federal government started as a union of nations. Now we are not that. We are one nation and we are too big.

California would have a similar setup, I'm sure....but it would start as one nation, with a few states, but the point is this nation would be 1/6 the size of the US and the national government would likely have to be more responsive to the people. I can't see the nation of CA spending endless amounts of $ on war in the ME.
Who are you and what have you done with Huff?

Ever take a look at the California State Government?
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Who are you and what have you done with Huff?

Ever take a look at the California State Government?
I have more hope that a nation of 40 million people can correct its course than a nation of 350 million.

Federal involvement is part of why CA has bad government, too.
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I have more hope that a nation of 40 million people can correct its course than a nation of 350 million.

Federal involvement is part of why CA has bad government, too.
They tend to go far beyond what the Federal Government does. A State that becomes more draconian than the Federal side isn't something to be wished for.
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They tend to go far beyond what the Federal Government does. A State that becomes more draconian than the Federal side isn't something to be wished for.
Right. This is because they are the biggest state. So the biggest state government with the help of the Federal government resulted in one of the worst state governments in the US. This is right in line with my theory that big government is more disastrous. I would be going from a nation that spends $4 trillion a year to a nation that is spending $100B a year.

It's a whole different ball game.
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