Remember the "outrage" over Palin's "target" map?

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They're awful photos. Worse than the cross hairs stuff, but possibly more accidental. They shouldn't have been run, in any case.
 
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They're awful photos. Worse than the cross hairs stuff, but possibly more accidental. They shouldn't have been run, in any case.

That's precisely the point, can you imagine the outrage if that had been Obama or a democratic nominee.. ****ing *******s
 

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They're awful photos. Worse than the cross hairs stuff, but possibly more accidental. They shouldn't have been run, in any case.

I would say accidental in that the photog and editor meant no ill will but probably did see it as a powerful photo statement - I do think they are good photos from an artistic standpoint given the context.

As for the crosshairs on the map the Dems had done the same thing using bullseyes instead of crosshairs but no one flipped about that.

I don't have a problem with the pictures - just pointing out a double standard.
 
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You actually think they're analogous don't you?

Take a moment and think about why they might be different. Come on. You can do it.
 
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You actually think they're analogous don't you?

Take a moment and think about why they might be different. Come on. You can do it.


Just for fun, I wanted to remind everyone of the nonsense you spewed after the Giffords assassination attempt.

Some things never change! Got the tea party in there, some talk show hosts, camouflaged hate...good stuff LG.


Rep. Giffords of Arizona shot

The right wing response to this is sadly and laughably predictable. Absent a literal smoking gun link between the incident and their venomous and irresponsible rhetorical assault on Democrats over the past three years, they claim it therefore has ZERO relationship. That's it: set the bar impossibly high and then dismiss any connection whatsoever.

Absent a picture of the guy at a tea party meeting, or absent a copy of a campaign contribution check by the guy made out to Sarah Palin, the right wing hate machine will disavow any possible connection to the poisonous atmosphere they have created or contributed to and yet another loon taking matters into his own hands.

He was mentally ill. Bought a gun. Went to a town hall meeting of a Democrat in Arizona where white pride/power groups are bashing everyone in sight, and shoots a Democratic congresswoman who had just gotten past a tough contest with a tea party guy. He is anti-government and hates the Treasury.

And yet you are arguing that because he also dislikes Bush or likes the Communist manifesto that absolves the right wing hate machine of all responsibility.

As I say, it does not surprise me one bit that Limbaugh and Beck are on the radio crying foul today at being linked to this in the minds of the majority of Americans. That's right, I said it. There is going to be an outcome to this at the ballot box and in the polls that the tea party doesn't like.

Thinking objective people understand the criticism here and its not made up. Yopu can deny it all you want, but its real and its perceived as real. And if by chance there is a direct link established it will be that much worse. Even without one, Beck Palin and Fox are correctly being criticized for their contribution to the air of suspicion and thinly-camouflaged hate directed at Democrats and Obama.
 
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Oh my God, these are so obviously not comparable it boggles the mind you would even try.

Palin's ad was created by her people. The use of the target was intentional, and followed a series of incendiary comments by her, and other troglodytes like her.

The pic of Cruz has the gun poster in the background ... because it was ... in ...the ... background.
 
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They are comparable because most people recognize that either occurrence isn't a root cause of any given act by a lunatic - yet you and others seize on one to further your demonization of political opponents.
 
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They are comparable because most people recognize that either occurrence isn't a root cause of any given act by a lunatic - yet you and others seize on one to further your demonization of political opponents.


That's what you're left with?

LOL. Ok. Good job.
 
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That's what you're left with?

LOL. Ok. Good job.

It's the truth - the Palin map was no more incendiary than the composed picture of Cruz by the AP photog. And yes it is clear the photographer composed that shot (it's actually a good photograph).

There are certainly Cruz opponents who suggested he's dangerous and must be stopped. Who's to say publishing this photo won't set off some nutjob fulfilling the rhetoric of the left against Cruz?

But sane people realize:

No one shot at anyone because of the Palin map and so far no one has shot at Cruz because of the picture.

Neither is a problem and neither is responsible for actions taken by idiots or the mentally unstable.
 
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Do you still believe Gifford's shooting had anything to do with the Palin map? Given the shooter was convicted can you present any evidence of it's role?
 
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Do you still believe Gifford's shooting had anything to do with the Palin map? Given the shooter was convicted can you present any evidence of it's role?

No, of course he can't. It is an absurd a notion now as it was then. Furthermore, it demonstrates the insincerity of those who made any such connection between the two, given that those types of maps were - and continue to be - used by Democrats.

What is important for LG and the Democratic party as a whole is that when any such event occurs, is to push forward their political agenda while insisting the other side of the aisle do soul searching until they reasons they are to blame for the actions of a random person.

It's nuts. And so many people take the bait.

But I digress, the best part of LG's post was the wide net he cast.
 
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It's the truth - the Palin map was no more incendiary than the composed picture of Cruz by the AP photog. And yes it is clear the photographer composed that shot (it's actually a good photograph).

There are certainly Cruz opponents who suggested he's dangerous and must be stopped. Who's to say publishing this photo won't set off some nutjob fulfilling the rhetoric of the left against Cruz?

But sane people realize:

No one shot at anyone because of the Palin map and so far no one has shot at Cruz because of the picture.

Neither is a problem and neither is responsible for actions taken by idiots or the mentally unstable.


Context.

There had been a lot of incendiary rhetoric from the right, including Palin, about gun rights.

Second Amendment remedies.

Dont retreat, reload.

Etc.

No one has implied gun violence as part of political discourse against Cruz.
 
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Do you still believe Gifford's shooting had anything to do with the Palin map? Given the shooter was convicted can you present any evidence of it's role?

"Anything to do"?

Yes. As part of a culture of promoting hostility and fear in people already predisposed to be irrational gun nuts.
 
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Context.

There had been a lot of incendiary rhetoric from the right, including Palin, about gun rights.

Second Amendment remedies.

Dont retreat, reload.

Etc.



No one has implied gun violence as part of political discourse against Cruz.

What would you think if someone replaced Cruz with Obama or Clinton in that pic?
 
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What would you think if someone replaced Cruz with Obama or Clinton in that pic?


If it was happenstance that it was in the background, not much.

If it was on the heels of near hysteria created by charismatic, but dumb as rocks pols like Palin, quite a bit.
 
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If it was happenstance that it was in the background, not much.

If it was on the heels of near hysteria created by charismatic, but dumb as rocks pols like Palin, quite a bit.

Lies. You'd be shrieking like crazy. You actually believe the angle was just by accident? ...
 
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