Liberties for the Greater Good (poll)

[OrangeWayOfLife]

Do you believe in sacrificing personal liberties for the greater good?

 

[volprof]

I applaud your inquiry, because I think it's worthwhile.

However, at the moment, it's basically akin to asking us if we think we should shoot someone with a gun.

And that's it. No other information. Are we at a rifle range? Is the person with the gun a cop? Is the person threatening others? Is it just Jim with his rifle rack on his truck driving around?

We don't really know.

 

[Danl]

Do you believe no personal liberties are above sacrificing for the "greater good"?

No problem with me choosing to sacrifice some of my personal liberties for the greater good as long as I define what is the greater good.

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

I applaud your inquiry, because I think it's worthwhile.

However, at the moment, it's basically akin to asking us if we think we should shoot someone with a gun.

And that's it. No other information. Are we at a rifle range? Is the person with the gun a cop? Is the person threatening others? Is it just Jim with his rifle rack on his truck driving around?

We don't really know.

I just left it general to get an idea of the overall attitude of this forum, we could specify on certain topics but that would only create discussion and ideologies on said topic. Wanted to see how many here support the general concept of socialism.

 

[FLVOL69]

No

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

No problem with me choosing to sacrifice some of my personal liberties for the greater good as long as I define what is the greater good.

Your personal opinion of greater good doesn't hold much bearing. How should greater good be defined, 100% public approval, majority approval, government approval?

 

[Danl]

I just left it general to get an idea of the overall attitude of this forum, we could specify on certain topics but that would only create discussion and ideologies on said topic. Wanted to see how many here support the general concept of socialism.

Then you might want to restate your poll.

I have constantly defined what is the "greater good" for me and my family. Given that, I have sacrificed early and often to obtain what I define as my "greater good". Has nothing at all to do with socialism or any other form of govt.

 

[Burhead]

No.

Personal liberty is the only thing worth fighting and dying for.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Then you might want to restate your poll.

I have constantly defined what is the "greater good" for me and my family. Given that, I have sacrificed early and often to obtain what I define as my "greater good". Has nothing at all to do with socialism or any other form of govt.

Good post.

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

Then you might want to restate your poll.

I have constantly defined what is the "greater good" for me and my family. Given that, I have sacrificed early and often to obtain what I define as my "greater good". Has nothing at all to do with socialism or any other form of govt.

Socialism is a societal and economic system


Edit: Again I'm not talking about your greater good, its meant to the greater good for society

 

[Danl]

Socialism is a societal and economic system


Edit: Again I'm not talking about your greater good, its meant to the greater good for society

Then you might want to mention these ideas in your OP.

 

[Cdywolfe]

Well considering our government will wind up being who decides what the greater good is... Absolutely not.

Why would I let the people for whom my liberties were put into place to protect me from decide if they should be taken away? That's completely asinine.

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

Well considering our government will wind up being who decides what the greater good is... Absolutely not.

Why would I let the people for whom my liberties were put into place to protect me from decide if they should be taken away? That's completely asinine.

100% agree, there are people I have seen here that would have it the other way though, see lawgator. This also plays into the demonization of capitalism. Its scary how much socialist support there is in America.

 

[golfballs]

is paying taxes considered surrendering liberty?

 

[Biopsyman]

Not no...but hell no

 

[PKT_VOL]

This wasn't well thought-out. The whole idea of government is rest upon such a question.

Thus, prima facie, you are asking whether we believe in anarchy or not.

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

This wasn't well thought-out. The whole idea of government is rest upon such a question.

Thus, prima facie, you are asking whether we believe in anarchy or not.

It's a pretty simple question. Do you believe their are liberties that could justifiably be sacrificed for the greater good? We don't have to specify specific liberties, just do you believe that some could/should be?

 

[hog88]

It's a pretty simple question. Do you believe their are liberties that could justifiably be sacrificed for the greater good? We don't have to specify specific liberties, just do you believe that some could/should be?

Simple answer, hell no.

 

[volprof]

I just left it general to get an idea of the overall attitude of this forum, we could specify on certain topics but that would only create discussion and ideologies on said topic. Wanted to see how many here support the general concept of socialism.

The greater good doesn't necessarily have anything to do with socialism.

 

[volprof]

It's a pretty simple question. Do you believe their are liberties that could justifiably be sacrificed for the greater good? We don't have to specify specific liberties, just do you believe that some could/should be?

No, it really isn't a simple question. Especially not when you've now made it clear you're trying to pigeon-hole positive responses into a "socialist" camp.

That's not fair at all. Just like perhaps having to sacrifice your personal liberties is not fair.

 

[Cdywolfe]

This wasn't well thought-out. The whole idea of government is rest upon such a question.

Thus, prima facie, you are asking whether we believe in anarchy or not.

I took it to mean (and please OP correct me if I'm wrong) liberties that were granted to us as Americans under the Constitution.

So a specific example would be...

Are you okay with sacrificing your fourth amendment rights at DUI checkpoints, border checkpoints (that are 75 miles from the border), and security checks at the airport for the purpose of "safety"?

 

[AirVol]

No.
In before LG says yes or deflects the question.

 

[volprof]

I took it to mean (and please OP correct me if I'm wrong) liberties that were granted to us as Americans under the Constitution.

So a specific example would be...

Are you okay with sacrificing your fourth amendment rights at DUI checkpoints, border checkpoints (that are 75 miles from the border), and security checks at the airport for the purpose of "safety"?

What does that have to do with socialism?

 

[OrangeWayOfLife]

I took it to mean (and please OP correct me if I'm wrong) liberties that were granted to us as Americans under the Constitution.

So a specific example would be...

Are you okay with sacrificing your fourth amendment rights at DUI checkpoints, border checkpoints (that are 75 miles from the border), and security checks at the airport for the purpose of "safety"?

Pretty much, definitely fits the narrative.

 

[Cdywolfe]

What does that have to do with socialism?

Yeah I'm not sure what he meant there.