Iraqi WMD's 2005-2006

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therealUT said:
Mustard gas in Iraq, as well. That said, if the Bush Administration meant to imply by "WMD" merely sarin gas and mustard gas and not nuclear weapons and facilities, then that's a ****ty reason to go to war.
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I think we went to war with the wrong people/country.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Report: CIA Bought Hundreds of Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction in ‘Operation Avarice’ | TheBlaze.com

Looks like there might really have been WMD's.
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Interesting... and that evil madman Saddam didn't use them on us or his people during the invasion?

I wouldn't believe anything that comes from the CIA anymore. This could just be a way for them to justify going after Assad even more... using this as a reason that justifies a Syrian invasion.

Working with the U.S. military, the CIA purchased some 400 Borak rockets from an Iraqi seller between 2005 and 2006, uncovering and destroying reserves sarin nerve agent, the New York Times reported.
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An Iraqi seller? What, did they do to some junkyard or pawnshop in Iraq and find this seller of chemical weapons? If he is a seller, then who would be his buyers and how would he get the product to the buyers? And Saddam didn't know about this weapons trader?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Interesting... and that evil madman Saddam didn't use them on us or his people during the invasion?

I wouldn't believe anything that comes from the CIA anymore. This could just be a way for them to justify going after Assad even more... using this as a reason that justifies a Syrian invasion.



An Iraqi seller? What, did they do to some junkyard or pawnshop in Iraq and find this seller of chemical weapons? If he is a seller, then who would be his buyers and how would he get the product to the buyers? And Saddam didn't know about this weapons trader?
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Post-invasion, post Saddam. The seller was someone who had access to information regarding where these weapons were buried and then the seller harvested the sarin from the warheads and sold it.

Saddam had plenty of reasons to avoid using these weapons against the US, as using them would not stop an invasion and it is reasonable to believe that using them would lead to a larger and more destructive response by the US. Remember, Saddam was consumed by his own hubris and was surrounded by 'yes men'. It is reasonable to believe that Saddam thought the US effort would be short-lived and that if Saddam could hide out for long enough, he would easily return to power.
 
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therealUT said:
Mustard gas in Iraq, as well. That said, if the Bush Administration meant to imply by "WMD" merely sarin gas and mustard gas and not nuclear weapons and facilities, then that's a ****ty reason to go to war.
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I thought the existence of these were a given...... Didn't the US incinerate huge stockpiles after the initial Gulf War? The likelihood that all were destroyed would have to be thin.
 
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therealUT said:
Post-invasion, post Saddam. The seller was someone who had access to information regarding where these weapons were buried and then the seller harvested the sarin from the warheads and sold it.
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That's just it... even in post-Saddam Iraq, who would be on the other side of that trade?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Interesting... and that evil madman Saddam didn't use them on us or his people during the invasion?

I wouldn't believe anything that comes from the CIA anymore. This could just be a way for them to justify going after Assad even more... using this as a reason that justifies a Syrian invasion.



An Iraqi seller? What, did they do to some junkyard or pawnshop in Iraq and find this seller of chemical weapons? If he is a seller, then who would be his buyers and how would he get the product to the buyers? And Saddam didn't know about this weapons trader?
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Ask the Kurds how those chemical weapons worked out for them
 
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We already knew they had these things.

Plus what was said was Iraq had a massive, ongoing WMD program.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Report: CIA Bought Hundreds of Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction in ‘Operation Avarice’ | TheBlaze.com

Looks like there might really have been WMD's.
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No one ever disputed the existence of a chemical weapons program, the issue was always a nuclear weapons program.

There were nuclear materials found, but evidence is more closely related to the Osirak facility and the nuclear program the Israelis destroyed in the 80s.

From all respects it was a very good deception program that cost Hussein his position, country and life.
 
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I say kudos to the CIA for getting something right for a change.

Although I do wonder how this program didn't come to light in the wake of the whole Snowden affair.
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

It was August 2008 near Taji, Iraq. They had just exploded a stack of old Iraqi artillery shells buried beside a murky lake. The blast, part of an effort to destroy munitions that could be used in makeshift bombs, uncovered more shells.

Two technicians assigned to dispose of munitions stepped into the hole. Lake water seeped in. One of them, Specialist Andrew T. Goldman, noticed a pungent odor, something, he said, he had never smelled before.

He lifted a shell. Oily paste oozed from a crack. “That doesn’t look like pond water,” said his team leader, Staff Sgt. Eric J. Duling.

The specialist swabbed the shell with chemical detection paper. It turned red — indicating sulfur mustard, the chemical warfare agent designed to burn a victim’s airway, skin and eyes.

All three men recall an awkward pause. Then Sergeant Duling gave an order: “Get the hell out.”
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therealUT said:
The CIA, to get them out of possible circulation.
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That seems like a most unlikely target market. You would be risking getting blown up or assassinated or just plain robbed by trying to go after the CIA market.

If this story is true (which I highly doubt), the most likely customers would be maybe local terror groups or militias with no ties to a state sponsor (Iran, Saudi Arabia or the US).

Abdulluh's Chemical Weapons Emporium would be a dangerous business venture if they are targeting the American counter-intelligence market.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That seems like a most unlikely target market. You would be risking getting blown up or assassinated or just plain robbed by trying to go after the CIA market.

If this story is true (which I highly doubt), the most likely customers would be maybe local terror groups or militias with no ties to a state sponsor (Iran, Saudi Arabia or the US).

Abdulluh's Chemical Weapons Emporium would be a dangerous business venture if they are targeting the American counter-intelligence market.
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Yes and no. If he was selling them as the original article (the source, not the Blaze) implied, he was sitting on more than what he had the first time. Sure they could make him talk and all that, but in order to get as many out of circulation as possible, it was probably best to do business with the devil.

I wouldn't take the greed angle out of account here. Those weapons would fetch a high price from the US to keep them out of circulation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That seems like a most unlikely target market. You would be risking getting blown up or assassinated or just plain robbed by trying to go after the CIA market.

If this story is true (which I highly doubt), the most likely customers would be maybe local terror groups or militias with no ties to a state sponsor (Iran, Saudi Arabia or the US).

Abdulluh's Chemical Weapons Emporium would be a dangerous business venture if they are targeting the American counter-intelligence market.
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It doesn't seem unlikely at all. Plenty of shady Iraqi's were always looking to make shady deals with Americans, and we paid up on plenty of occasions.
 
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