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Old 06-22-2015, 10:06 PM   #106
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The world-wide numbers are sobering, but the United States is definitely in the lead with some of the highest numbers of incarcerations in the world, without a trial. The total includes some 480,000 in the United States, 255,000 in India, 195,000 in Brazil, 116,000 in Russia, 107,000 in Mexico, 70,000 in the Philippines, 66,000 in Thailand, 55,000 in Iran, 50,000 in both Indonesia and Pakistan, 48,000 in Turkey, 47,000 in Bangladesh, 44,000 in South Africa, 40,000 in Colombia, 37,000 in both Nigeria and Peru, 35,000 in Venezuela, 32,000 in Morocco and 31,000 in Argentina.
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:15 AM   #107
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Ras, do you have the break down of that 480k; continuations, fired my lawyer, awaiting psych eval, etc., and by state?
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Old 06-23-2015, 02:16 PM   #108
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I dont have . breakdown of state by state, fired by lawyer, etc, but the fact that we have twice as many as a country 3 times our size tells me a lot.

Of course, the glaring omition in the article is China.
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Old 06-23-2015, 02:23 PM   #109
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While some of these prisoners may indeed be guilty of violent crimes, three out of four are low-level offenders, accused of nonviolent infractions like drug possession or traffic violations. In other words, most of them aren’t a danger to society; they just can’t make bail.
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Old 06-23-2015, 02:31 PM   #110
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I dont have . breakdown of state by state, fired by lawyer, etc, but the fact that we have twice as many as a country 3 times our size tells me a lot.

Of course, the glaring omition in the article is China.
Just wondering. On its face, that is atrocious.
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Not read the thread, but laws that need to be changed/removed:

1. Simple possession: marijuana, etc. tax it and sell it and fix two problems at once, look at Countries like Argentina for drug policies that work.

2. Child support and certain traffic crimes (and also punish DUI's more severely)

3. Age of Consent laws: Match with the world, make 16 legal age of consent and also make it to where someone one year older having consensual sex with someone doesn't label them a sex offender or punish them, same as possession of pictures of under age people. a nude picture of a 17 year old sent to a 19 year old boyfriend can, technically, be 8 years and sex registry. Totally not acceptable in this day and age.

Prison also need to be changed to focus more on rehabilitation. Make them work more doing community things like construction and cleanup, teach them things they can do when they get out (which our military should also do), and make them all see therapists regardless of crime to judge and at least get information behind the crime or the criminal to use to help stop it in the future. Make it easier to get a job being an ex con so they don't have to resort to crime again to live.
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Old 06-23-2015, 03:45 PM   #112
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We pass laws that most will never even try to break
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:24 PM   #113
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We pass laws that most will never even try to break
Sadly, the American people have been duped into believing that if legislatures aren't passing laws, they aren't earning their pay check. I honestly think, for every law passed, two should be repealed. I know this would never happen, but it's a thought.
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Old 06-24-2015, 03:25 PM   #114
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Why we spend billions to keep half a million unconvicted people behind bars - The Washington Post
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Ras, you may have already read this, if not, I think you will find it interesting...

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Sadly, the American people have been duped into believing that if legislatures aren't passing laws, they aren't earning their pay check. I honestly think, for every law passed, two should be repealed. I know this would never happen, but it's a thought.
Don't forget the fact D.A.'s and Sheriffs are elected, which means they need as many convictions as possible, regardless of the severity of said crime. We live in a country where it is legal for a police officer to lie to a suspect, but not the other way around. When you really break down how the law works, its terrifying in many aspects.
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Old 06-24-2015, 10:53 PM   #119
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Many of these people waiting in jail are forced to wait simply because they can't afford to post bail. A 2013 analysis by the Drug Policy Alliance, a group that advocates for changes in drug laws, found that nearly 40 percent of New Jersey's jail population fell into this category. The Bureau of Justice Statistics report found that among felony defendants in the nation's largest counties, 34 percent were detained before trial because they couldn't make bail.
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But in practice, this means that plenty of people sit behind bars not because they're dangerous, or because they're a flight risk, but simply because they can't come up with the cash. A recent analysis by the Vera Institute, a research group advocating for various changes in criminal justice laws, found that 41 percent of New York City's inmates were sitting in jail on a misdemeanor charge because they couldn't meet a bail of $2,500 or less.
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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Serious question. We have the largest prison population in the free world (and probably the unfree world also). Is it because we just have an abnormal number of bad people here in the USA or is it because we make so many things in this country illegal and worthy of spending time in jail?

Could this nation stand to have a culling of the laws on the books?
Too many laws, no doubt.
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