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Old 04-09-2014, 12:06 AM   #1
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This is one of the best things I've ever read, and I don't know how it didn't get on my radar until today. Crichton is so on point. In summary, he doesn't really dispute the legitimacy of the threat of global warming, he talks about is proper science and how science has been politicized, and it's amazing.

One of his best points is that "skeptic" has become a pejorative term within the scientific community when skepticism should be a virtue. The greatest scientific breakthroughs in history have been brought about by skeptics.

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Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2.
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Nobody believes a weather prediction twelve hours ahead. Now weíre asked to believe a prediction that goes out 100 years into the future? And make financial investments based on that prediction? Has everybody lost their minds?

Look: If I was selling stock in a company that I told you would be profitable in 2100, would you buy it? Or would you think the idea was so crazy that it must be a scam?

...in 2000, France was getting 80% its power from an energy source that was unknown in 1900...[we] didnít know what an atom was.

You tell me you can predict the world of 2100. Tell me itís even worth thinking about. Our models just carry the present into the future. Theyíre bound to be wrong. Everybody who gives a momentís thought knows it.
http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu...ichton2003.pdf
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:38 AM   #2
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This is one of the best things I've ever read, and I don't know how it didn't get on my radar until today. Crichton is so on point. In summary, he doesn't really dispute the legitimacy of the threat of global warming, he talks about is proper science and how science has been politicized, and it's amazing.

One of his best points is that "skeptic" has become a pejorative term within the scientific community when skepticism should be a virtue. The greatest scientific breakthroughs in history have been brought about by skeptics.

Some of my favorite quotes:





http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu...ichton2003.pdf

This is one of the most objective, thoughtful articles I've read in 2014.

Thank you for posting. Amazing this is 11 years old and it's the first time I've read it.
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:40 AM   #3
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You guys are gonna hurt Bart's feelings.
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You guys know thereís already a global warming thread, right?

Iím a big fan and own several Crichton books (though I havenít read State of Fear). That said heís a science fiction writer, and heís gotten his fair share of criticism for scientific inaccuracies.

Skepticism is an absolute necessity for every scientist. But the market fundamentalists that categorically deny inconvenient environmental science (tobacco, ozone, acid rain, global warming, DDT, asbestos, agent orange, Ö) do so only under the disguise of skepticism.

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ĎScepticism is not believing what someone tells you, investigating all the information before coming to a conclusion. Scepticism is a good thing. Global warming scepticism is not that. Itís the complete opposite of that. Itís coming to a preconceived conclusion and cherry-picking the information that backs up your opinion. Global Warming scepticism isnít scepticism at all.í

-John Cook
And I see Mr. Crichton doesnít understand the difference between weather and climate. Heís not alone there.

Iíll also add that, while individuals do occasionally make a discovery that overturns the consensus, itís a once-in-a-generation kind of thing. The Galileo comparison is also made by those claiming vaccines cause autism, HIV doesnít cause AIDS, moon landing is a hoax, etc. Itís a common defense mechanism when confronted with overwhelming evidence. Denialists are so humble...

The Galileo fallacy and denigration of scientific consensus

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This is one of the best things I've ever read, and I don't know how it didn't get on my radar until today. Crichton is so on point. In summary, he doesn't really dispute the legitimacy of the threat of global warming, he talks about is proper science and how science has been politicized, and it's amazing.

One of his best points is that "skeptic" has become a pejorative term within the scientific community when skepticism should be a virtue. The greatest scientific breakthroughs in history have been brought about by skeptics.

Some of my favorite quotes:





http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu...ichton2003.pdf



But according to Bart, global warming skeptics are scientific denialists and conspiracy theorists. If you're one who is a global warming skeptic then you believe the moon landing was a hoax and that type of thing. So you actually CAN be a skeptic of global warming???
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But according to Bart, global warming skeptics are scientific denialists and conspiracy theorists. If you're one who is a global warming skeptic then you believe the moon landing was a hoax and that type of thing. So you actually CAN be a skeptic of global warming???
Denier vs Skeptic

I've explained the difference several times.
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Denier vs Skeptic

I've explained the difference several times.
Well obviously you do not know the difference because you have called me a denier for being skeptical.
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The deterioration of the American media is dire loss for our country. When distinguished institutions like the New York Times can no longer differentiate between factual content and editorial opinion, but rather mix both freely on their front page, then who will hold anyone to a higher standard?
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This is one of the best things I've ever read, and I don't know how it didn't get on my radar until today. Crichton is so on point. In summary, he doesn't really dispute the legitimacy of the threat of global warming, he talks about is proper science and how science has been politicized, and it's amazing.

One of his best points is that "skeptic" has become a pejorative term within the scientific community when skepticism should be a virtue. The greatest scientific breakthroughs in history have been brought about by skeptics.

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http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu...ichton2003.pdf

I particularly like the quote that it's not worth thinking about ...

Now THAT'S scientific!
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I particularly like the quote that it's not worth thinking about ...

Now THAT'S scientific!
Sounds kinda like Hillary doesn't it?
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You guys know thereís already a global warming thread, right?
But this isn't really about global warming, it's about politicizing science. Global warming is just one of the main issues he uses to discuss this phenomenon.
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I particularly like the quote that it's not worth thinking about ...

Now THAT'S scientific!
You believe that looking at 2100 with 2000 eyeglasses on is valid in any way? You should read the whole article. The world will be a completely different place in 2100. For all we know human behavior in 20 years will be causing global cooling. That's how fast the world changes.
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If you don't think science is politicized then you haven't applied for grants to fund your science.

I'm not a GW denier. I'm skeptical about the dire predictions AND the proposed solutions.
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You believe that looking at 2100 with 2000 eyeglasses on is valid in any way? You should read the whole article. The world will be a completely different place in 2100. For all we know human behavior in 20 years will be causing global cooling. That's how fast the world changes.
Seems like the more we try to predict the future, the more we get it wrong.

I mean, if we were to believe the predictions, we'd all be flying DeLoreans and have hover boards in the backseat.
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