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The state legislature of Michigan passed a bill requesting a Constitutional Convention in the US. Michigan thus becomes the 34th state to request a Constitutional Convention. And, well, 33/50 = 0.66, just shy of 2/3, 34/50 = 0.68.

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

Legal debate will certainly take place now, as to whether Michigan is the 34th state or only the 33rd (some states have applied and then later rescinded, but nobody knows whether such an application can, in fact, be rescinded). If Michigan is declared as the 34th state, then we get a good ole fashioned Constitutional Convention! And, every part of the Constitution is open to alteration during such an event.
 
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whatever would they talk about?

The reasons given on the majority of the applications concern balanced budget amendments. However, such conventions are not limited in scope. Such conventions can propose any amendments they desire, and if such amendments are approved by 3/4 of the states (Congress can be wholly shut out), then they are ratified.

I would imagine plenty of states would want to repeal the 17th Amendment if such a convention occurs; the 16th would be on the table; the reconstruction amendments might get another look, as well. The potential for huge change, whether good or bad, arises in such a Constitutional Convention.
 
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The problem is that the agenda is not limited to the announced reason for the convention. So, for example, while Republicans could innocently claim they only want to do this for a balanced budget, the second the gavel hits out will come the loons trying to pass things about the usual platform: a national religion, school prayer, abortion, gay rights, etc.
 
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The problem is that the agenda is not limited to the announced reason for the convention. So, for example, while Republicans could innocently claim they only want to do this for a balanced budget, the second the gavel hits out will come the loons trying to pass things about the usual platform: a national religion, school prayer, abortion, gay rights, etc.

Aside from your usual fear tactics, I do not see a problem with the convention not being restricted solely to the announced reason for the convention.

However, at least now I understand what will drive certain individuals to argue against either the illegality of such a convention or the inapplicability, to today, of an Article formed in the 1780s.
 
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The problem is that the agenda is not limited to the announced reason for the convention. So, for example, while Republicans could innocently claim they only want to do this for a balanced budget, the second the gavel hits out will come the loons trying to pass things about the usual platform: a national religion, school prayer, abortion, gay rights, etc.
A national religion? Really? Is that what keeps liberals awake at night?
 
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The problem is that the agenda is not limited to the announced reason for the convention. So, for example, while Republicans could innocently claim they only want to do this for a balanced budget, the second the gavel hits out will come the loons trying to pass things about the usual platform: a national religion, school prayer, abortion, gay rights, etc.

Maybe you and your kind could screw around with the 22nd Amendment at the convention to make Obama President for Life.
 
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From Mark Levin's book Liberty Amendments,Mark Levin is proposing ten amendments to the Constitution. Each one is written in thoughtful language so as to preclude any ancillary problems: (from Red State blog)

1) Term Limits: He proposes limiting service in both the House and Senate to 12 years. Yes, we’ve heard all the arguments about elections being the best limit. But the past 100 year has proven that to be false. As someone who works day and night to throw the bums out, I can tell you that is nearly impossible to throw them out with the amount of money they raise – precisely for their abuses of power. Levin also proves that limiting time in office was a highly regarded proposal during the Constitutional Congress.

2) Repealing the 17th Amendment: Levin proposes repealing the 17th amendment and vesting state legislators with the power to elect senators so that the power of states is not diluted, as originally feared by the framers of the Constitution.

3) Restoring the Judiciary to its proper role: The Judiciary was never meant to be an all-powerful institution in which five men in robes have the final say over every major policy battle in the country. In order to end judicial tyranny, Levin proposes limiting service to one 12-year term, and granting both Congress and the state legislatures the authority to overturn court decisions with the vote of three-fifths of both houses of Congress or state legislative bodies.

4) Limiting Taxation and Spending: Levin proposes a balanced budget amendment, limiting spending to 17.5% of GDP and requiring a three-fifths vote to raise the debt ceiling. He also proposes limiting the power to tax to 15% of an individual’s income, prohibiting other forms of taxation, and placing the deadline to file one’s taxes one day before the next federal election.

5) Limiting bureaucracy: He proposes an amendment to limit and sunset federal regulations and subject the existence of all federal departments to stand-alone reauthorization bills every three years.

6) Defining the Commerce Clause: Levin writes an amendment that, while technically unnecessary, is practically an imperative to restoring the original intent of the Commerce Clause. The amendment would make it clear that the commerce clause grants not power to actively regulate and control activity; rather to prevent states from impeding commerce among other states, as Madison originally intended.

7) Limiting Federal power to take private property

8) Allowing State Legislature to Amend the Constitution: Although the Framers intentionally made it difficult to amend the Constitution, they did so to preserve the Republic they created. However, the progressives have illegally altered our Republic through a silent and gradual coup without using the amendment process. If we are going to successfully push the aforementioned amendments, we will need an easier mechanism to force them through. The proposed amendment allows states to bypass Congress and propose an amendment with support of just two-thirds of the states (instead of three-fourths) and without convening a convention.

9) State Authority to Override Congress: A proposed amendment to allow states to override federal statutes by majority vote in two-thirds of state legislatures. The last two proposals are rooted in the idea that the states only agreed to the Constitution on condition that their power would not be diluted and that all federal power is derived from the states.

10) Protecting the Vote: A proposal to require photo ID for all federal elections and limit early voting.
 
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From Mark Levin's book Liberty Amendments,Mark Levin is proposing ten amendments to the Constitution. Each one is written in thoughtful language so as to preclude any ancillary problems: (from Red State blog)

1) Term Limits: He proposes limiting service in both the House and Senate to 12 years. Yes, we’ve heard all the arguments about elections being the best limit. But the past 100 year has proven that to be false. As someone who works day and night to throw the bums out, I can tell you that is nearly impossible to throw them out with the amount of money they raise – precisely for their abuses of power. Levin also proves that limiting time in office was a highly regarded proposal during the Constitutional Congress.

2) Repealing the 17th Amendment: Levin proposes repealing the 17th amendment and vesting state legislators with the power to elect senators so that the power of states is not diluted, as originally feared by the framers of the Constitution.

3) Restoring the Judiciary to its proper role: The Judiciary was never meant to be an all-powerful institution in which five men in robes have the final say over every major policy battle in the country. In order to end judicial tyranny, Levin proposes limiting service to one 12-year term, and granting both Congress and the state legislatures the authority to overturn court decisions with the vote of three-fifths of both houses of Congress or state legislative bodies.

4) Limiting Taxation and Spending: Levin proposes a balanced budget amendment, limiting spending to 17.5% of GDP and requiring a three-fifths vote to raise the debt ceiling. He also proposes limiting the power to tax to 15% of an individual’s income, prohibiting other forms of taxation, and placing the deadline to file one’s taxes one day before the next federal election.

5) Limiting bureaucracy: He proposes an amendment to limit and sunset federal regulations and subject the existence of all federal departments to stand-alone reauthorization bills every three years.

6) Defining the Commerce Clause: Levin writes an amendment that, while technically unnecessary, is practically an imperative to restoring the original intent of the Commerce Clause. The amendment would make it clear that the commerce clause grants not power to actively regulate and control activity; rather to prevent states from impeding commerce among other states, as Madison originally intended.

7) Limiting Federal power to take private property

8) Allowing State Legislature to Amend the Constitution: Although the Framers intentionally made it difficult to amend the Constitution, they did so to preserve the Republic they created. However, the progressives have illegally altered our Republic through a silent and gradual coup without using the amendment process. If we are going to successfully push the aforementioned amendments, we will need an easier mechanism to force them through. The proposed amendment allows states to bypass Congress and propose an amendment with support of just two-thirds of the states (instead of three-fourths) and without convening a convention.

9) State Authority to Override Congress: A proposed amendment to allow states to override federal statutes by majority vote in two-thirds of state legislatures. The last two proposals are rooted in the idea that the states only agreed to the Constitution on condition that their power would not be diluted and that all federal power is derived from the states.

10) Protecting the Vote: A proposal to require photo ID for all federal elections and limit early voting.

Interesting.
 
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From Mark Levin's book Liberty Amendments,Mark Levin is proposing ten amendments to the Constitution. Each one is written in thoughtful language so as to preclude any ancillary problems: (from Red State blog)

1) Term Limits: He proposes limiting service in both the House and Senate to 12 years. Yes, we’ve heard all the arguments about elections being the best limit. But the past 100 year has proven that to be false. As someone who works day and night to throw the bums out, I can tell you that is nearly impossible to throw them out with the amount of money they raise – precisely for their abuses of power. Levin also proves that limiting time in office was a highly regarded proposal during the Constitutional Congress.

2) Repealing the 17th Amendment: Levin proposes repealing the 17th amendment and vesting state legislators with the power to elect senators so that the power of states is not diluted, as originally feared by the framers of the Constitution.

3) Restoring the Judiciary to its proper role: The Judiciary was never meant to be an all-powerful institution in which five men in robes have the final say over every major policy battle in the country. In order to end judicial tyranny, Levin proposes limiting service to one 12-year term, and granting both Congress and the state legislatures the authority to overturn court decisions with the vote of three-fifths of both houses of Congress or state legislative bodies.

4) Limiting Taxation and Spending: Levin proposes a balanced budget amendment, limiting spending to 17.5% of GDP and requiring a three-fifths vote to raise the debt ceiling. He also proposes limiting the power to tax to 15% of an individual’s income, prohibiting other forms of taxation, and placing the deadline to file one’s taxes one day before the next federal election.

5) Limiting bureaucracy: He proposes an amendment to limit and sunset federal regulations and subject the existence of all federal departments to stand-alone reauthorization bills every three years.

6) Defining the Commerce Clause: Levin writes an amendment that, while technically unnecessary, is practically an imperative to restoring the original intent of the Commerce Clause. The amendment would make it clear that the commerce clause grants not power to actively regulate and control activity; rather to prevent states from impeding commerce among other states, as Madison originally intended.

7) Limiting Federal power to take private property

8) Allowing State Legislature to Amend the Constitution: Although the Framers intentionally made it difficult to amend the Constitution, they did so to preserve the Republic they created. However, the progressives have illegally altered our Republic through a silent and gradual coup without using the amendment process. If we are going to successfully push the aforementioned amendments, we will need an easier mechanism to force them through. The proposed amendment allows states to bypass Congress and propose an amendment with support of just two-thirds of the states (instead of three-fourths) and without convening a convention.

9) State Authority to Override Congress: A proposed amendment to allow states to override federal statutes by majority vote in two-thirds of state legislatures. The last two proposals are rooted in the idea that the states only agreed to the Constitution on condition that their power would not be diluted and that all federal power is derived from the states.

10) Protecting the Vote: A proposal to require photo ID for all federal elections and limit early voting.

3 and 5-10 are exceedingly dangerous.

But even if it was announced that those were the ten reasons for the convention you can't limit it once it's open and the Tea Party nuts and the Koch brother bought and paid for representatives can offer up any mischief they want.
 
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3 and 5-10 are exceedingly dangerous.

But even if it was announced that those were the ten reasons for the convention you can't limit it once it's open and the Tea Party nuts and the Koch brother bought and paid for representatives can offer up any mischief they want.

Just one?

Your troll is off today.
 
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3 and 5-10 are exceedingly dangerous.

But even if it was announced that those were the ten reasons for the convention you can't limit it once it's open and the Tea Party nuts and the Koch brother bought and paid for representatives can offer up any mischief they want.

How is it dangerous to make it more difficult for the Feds to use eminent domain :blink:
 
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3 and 5-10 are exceedingly dangerous.

But even if it was announced that those were the ten reasons for the convention you can't limit it once it's open and the Tea Party nuts and the Koch brother bought and paid for representatives can offer up any mischief they want.


Your Koch addiction is flaring up again!
 

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