Eric Holder granted 1/2 million $$ to unrepentent terrorists.

[gsvol]

The Dohrn Connection - National Review Online

Bernardine Dohrn has a history with the Justice Department. More specifically, in the early 1970s, she was one of the FBI’s most wanted fugitives because of her actions with the Weather Underground, a violent radical organization.

Times have changed. In 2010 and 2011, the Justice Department saw fit to give $400,000 in grants to an organization that lists Dohrn as a member of its board of directors: a $150,000 grant in September of 2010 and a $250,000 grant a year later.
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As a prominent figure in the Weather Underground — which was initially known as simply “Weatherman” — Dohrn helped lead the “Days of Rage” Chicago riot, and during her tenure the group was responsible for numerous bombings of government buildings. Although Dohrn has never renounced her past, her various legal troubles are behind her: She served some probation, several charges were dismissed, and she spent some time in jail for refusing to cooperate with an investigation. She’s now a law professor at Northwestern University, and her husband, fellow Weather Underground co-founder William Ayers, is a retired education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

The Burns Institute’s name comes from a man who himself exemplified the blend of civil-rights activism, academic prestige, and radical politics that defines the group today. W. Haywood Burns worked with Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil-rights movement and eventually became the dean of the law school at Queens College. He also was married to Bernardine Dohrn’s sister, Jennifer, and he “represented the black radical Angela Davis against charges of kidnapping and murder, and coordinated the defense for inmates indicted in the Attica prison riot,” as the New York Times noted in his 1996 obituary.
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The Burns Institute did not provide a comment in time for publication, Dohrn did not reply to several attempts to contact her, and the Office of Justice Programs declined to provide a quote for attribution.

 

[therealUT]

The Burns Institute:

Our Work

The W. Haywood Burns Institute (BI) is a San Francisco-based national nonprofit organization. Our mission: To protect and improve the lives of youth of color, poor youth and the well-being of their communities by reducing the adverse impacts of public and private youth-serving systems to ensure fairness and equity throughout the juvenile justice system.
Core Strategic Approach

We work in sites across the country to bring officials from law enforcement, legal systems and child welfare together with community leaders, parents and children, and lead them through a data-driven, consensus-based approach to change policies, procedures and practices that result in the detention of low-offending youth of color and poor youth.

Core Values:

Children cannot be rehabilitated when housed in cages.

All young people deserve to be treated equally and fairly.

All youth should be heard and included in the decision-making processes that impact their lives.

A majority of youth in trouble with the law are best served by alternatives to detention.

The process of making change and achieving fairness and equity for youth of color and poor children must be one that is intentionally inclusive of many voices and opinions by convening traditional adversaries and creating an environment that is respectful of divergent views.

When youth of color and poor children are provided resources, guidance, support, safety and positive interventions, they can fulfill their potential as contributing members of their communities.

We must intentionally engage communities in an effort to hold youth-serving systems accountable.

A data-driven approach is essential to address systemic bias and racism.

The BI has worked in more than 40 jurisdictions nationally and achieved significant results in reducing racial and ethnic disparities. The BI model is dynamic and innovative because it proves that reducing disparities is a solvable problem. Through its services and its 140-member national network, the Community Justice Network for Youth (CJNY), the BI provides support to organizations that provide alternatives to detention and arms local organizations with the tools and staff to strengthen their programs and engage in policy work.

Sounds absolutely unworthy and wholly unrepentent.

 

[gsvol]

Ironic that the organization should have San Francisco as it's home office since Ayers and Dorhn are most likely guilty of committing murder there.

As you know Dohrn is the wife of Bill Ayers (a frequent white house visitor these days) who said in a recent interview and in his book that he isn't one bit sorry for the violent acts he committed and only wishes he had done more to advance the communist revolution.

Dorhn went so far as to laud the actions of Charlie Manson and has never made the first statment indicating she has changed her views at all.

As you may know Ayers and Dorhn named their sons after prominent black muslim leaders.

Of course when Obama came to Chicago he was immediately hired by Ayers.

Michelle Robinson Obama’s ancestors are from the Friends-Plantation area in South Carolina.

Jesse Robinson Jackson's ancestors are from the same area. His biological father is Noah Robinson.

Noah Robinson was a professional boxer.

Moochelle spent enough time in the JJ home during her youth that the JJ siblings refer to her as Sis.

Noah Robinson, JJ's half brother is doing life. He was involved with a Chicago street gang specializing in drugs, murder for hire and prostitution. The gang changed their name to El Rukn when they converted to islam in masse.

BHO Organized the community that would be considered the gang's territory.

Louis Farrakhan gave Tony Rezko his first job in the US keeping the boxer Mohamed Ali (aka Cassius Marcellous Clay) “in line”.

Tony Rezko helped finance the Obama home in the hood where he is a neighbor to Ayers, Dorhn Farrakhan and others.

Blago's wife had a real estate license but only worked for Rezko. She is also the daughter of one of the more powerful Aldermen in Chicago.

BOTH OBAMAS SURRENDERED law licenses in '93 & '08 | Liberty.com

1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 in order to escape charges he lied on his bar application.

A "Voluntary Surrender" is not something where you decide "Gee, a license is not really something I need anymore, is it?" and forget to renew your license. No, a "Voluntary Surrender" is something you do when you've been accused of something, and you 'voluntarily surrender" your license five seconds before the state suspends you.

2 Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993. after a Federal Judge gave her the choice between surrendering her license or STAND TRIAL FOR insurance FRAUD.

3. So, we have the first black President and First "Lady" - who don't actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.
Source:
Pres. Barack Obama – Editor of the Harvard Law Review – Has No Law License??? « Alamo City Pundit

4. A senior lecturer is one thing, a fully ranked law professor is another. Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago.

5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school-but that is a title. Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

6. "He did not hold the title of Professor of Law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.
Source: Sweet: Obama did NOT "hold the title" of a University of Chicago law school professor. - Lynn Sweet ;

7. The former Constitutional Senior Lecturer (Obama) cited the U.S. Constitution the other night during his State of the Union Address. Unfortunately, the quote he cited was from the Declaration of Independence ... not the Constitution.

8. The B-Cast posted the video: Breitbart TV

9. Free Republic: In the State of the Union Address, President Obama said: "We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal.

10. Um, wrong citing, wrong founding document there Champ, I mean Mr. President. By the way, the promises are not a notion, our founders named them unalienable rights. The document is our Declaration of Independence and it reads: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

11. And this is the same guy who lectured the Supreme Court moments later in the same speech?

Looks like we have all the makings of a criminal conspiracy.

 

[utvolpj]

not enough tin foil in the world....

 

[YorkVol]

1) As you know Dohrn is the wife of Bill Ayers.

2) Of course when Obama came to Chicago he was immediately hired by Ayers.

3) Barrack Obama married Michelle Robinson

4) Michelle Robinson's ancestors are from the Friends-Plantation area in South Carolina.

5) The Friends Plantation area is near Columbia SC

6) Kevin Bacon made a movie called Death Sentence filmed in Columbia SC

fyp

 

[gsvol]

not enough tin foil in the world....

Are you still wearing enough tin foil to deny that both Barry and Michelle have lost their licenses to practice law?

Wassup widdat?

Furthermore, BHO's first job in Chicago was working for Dorhrn's terrorist husband William Ayers on a project funded by the Annenberg Foundation to indoctrinate and involve high school students in Alinsky styled radical left wing politics, the desirable end product to look something like this:

So the Burns Institute isn't lying when they want to involve communities in the politics of 'change.'

 

[therealUT]

Who does not love photoshop?

 

[gsvol]

Who does not love photoshop?

We need more of those for sure.

How about one of a border patrol agent shooting bean bags at a narco terrorist who is shooting back with an AK-47 supplied by Holder under the Fast and Furious program or Holder getting pardons for Puerto Rican commie terrorists who didn't even apply for a pardon.

That's dedication I say, by a disgrace to his office.

 

[volinreallife]

We need more of those for sure.

How about one of a border patrol agent shooting bean bags at a narco terrorist who is shooting back with an AK-47 supplied by Holder under the Fast and Furious program or Holder getting pardons for Puerto Rican commie terrorists who didn't even apply for a pardon.

That's dedication I say, by a disgrace to his office.

One group is holding garbage cans, and the other group is holding AK's.

Do I win?

 

[therealUT]

We need more of those for sure.

How about one of a border patrol agent shooting bean bags at a narco terrorist who is shooting back with an AK-47 supplied by Holder under the Fast and Furious program or Holder getting pardons for Puerto Rican commie terrorists who didn't even apply for a pardon.

That's dedication I say, by a disgrace to his office.

Why are narco-terrorists narco-terrorists? Why does a country that purports to be a bastion of liberty have closed borders and border guards?

The sooner xenophobes and neo-puritans like yourself realize that liberty means that anyone should be able to enter and leave as they wish and that they should be allowed to seek pleasure in whatever manner they deem fit, so long as it does not directly infringe on the liberty of others, the sooner Border Patrol Agents will not be put in situations where their lives are at stake.

 

[tim]

Why are narco-terrorists narco-terrorists? Why does a country that purports to be a bastion of liberty have closed borders and border guards?

The sooner xenophobes and neo-puritans like yourself realize that liberty means that anyone should be able to enter and leave as they wish and that they should be allowed to seek pleasure in whatever manner they deem fit, so long as it does not directly infringe on the liberty of others, the sooner Border Patrol Agents will not be put in situations where their lives are at stake.

Wow, you're as nutty as he is.

 

[gsvol]

Why are narco-terrorists narco-terrorists? Why does a country that purports to be a bastion of liberty have closed borders and border guards?

The sooner xenophobes and neo-puritans like yourself realize that liberty means that anyone should be able to enter and leave as they wish and that they should be allowed to seek pleasure in whatever manner they deem fit, so long as it does not directly infringe on the liberty of others, the sooner Border Patrol Agents will not be put in situations where their lives are at stake.

THANK YOU for demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt that devout dialecticians = utter fools.

Out-freaking-standing!

I suppose you also advocate that all police forces are obsolete in your post modern world?

I suppose you think it is America's fault that 49 dismembered bodies were found on the roads of Mexico last weekend and if we only just fired all our border patrol agents we wouldn't see such activity north of the border either, maybe we should dismiss all our policemen and heck, why not fire the firemen too?

Pardon me if I don't follow you down the garden path to obfuscation and prevarication.

The truth of the matter and the point of this thread is that our present regime ruling Washinton is utterly corrupt from the top down, from Wall Street;

Here are 79 examples of Barack Obama’s corruption, lying, lawbreaking, and cronyism. « Dan from Squirrel Hill's Blog

3) While running for President, Obama had promised that he would not have any lobbyists working in his administration. However, by February 2010, he had more than 40 lobbyists working in his administration.

4) Although Obama claims to support the Occupy Wall St. movement, the truth is that he has raised more money from Wall St. than any other candidate during the last 20 years.

In Washington, is justice for sale? President Obama took over $49 million in campaign donations from Wall Street, his Justice Department is full of former white collar defense lawyers, and 4 years after our financial collapse, not a single senior Wall Street executive has been charged with a crime. Learn the truth.

Justice for Sale - YouTube

To Afghanistan;

Q&A with Author Douglas Wissing | C-SPAN

........ author Douglas Wissing discusses his latest narrative, “Funding the Enemy: How U.S. Taxpayers Bankroll the Taliban.” Mr. Wissing states in his book that for a variety of reasons, much of the taxpayer money the United States spends in Afghanistan is being diverted and used for funding the Taliban. Wissing describes his experiences obtained from being an embedded journalist with five different units of the National Guard, including the agricultural business development team and the provincial reconstruction team.

He describes the existing government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai as “wholly corrupt.” He offers examples of U.S. government spending projects which wind their way through a mostly corrupt bidding process by Afghan contractors. He asserts that money skimmed from bribes and drug trafficking is indirectly going to support the Taliban’s efforts against America in Afghanistan. He states that aid dollars from the United States are being distributed yet there is little effort to follow through and verify the intended results of that distribution. He concludes that it is time for the United States to end its military involvement in Afghanistan.

And especially in Chicago, the home office of this gansta administration.

HHS awards $5.9 million contract to Obama crony « Hot Air

Two stories coming from Health and Human Services will likely get overlooked today, with the main thrust of conversation turning to same-sex marriage and Barack Obama’s hypocritical attack on Mitt Romney and Bain Capital. Both deserve more attention, especially a curious award of a contract worth nearly $6 million to a crony of Obama’s back in Chicago, which Keith Koffler exposes:

The Department of Health and Human Services last week announced it had awarded a $5.9 million grant to a University of Chicago Medical Center program tied to Michelle Obama and run by Eric Whitaker, one of President Obama’s closest friends.

The Urban Health Initiative, which received the award, was originally based on a smaller program launched during the last decade by Michelle Obama, who was an executive at the University of Chicago Medical Center before she departed to become first lady. The UHI is headed up by Obama basketball and golf buddy Whitaker, who has known the president since Obama’s days in law school and who also vacations with the first family.

Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett also has ties to the UHI. Until resigning to go work at the White House, Jarrett was Chairman of the University of Chicago Medical Center Board of Trustees. And in 2007, a PR firm run by former senior White House adviser and Obama political guru David Axelrod provided provided public relations strategy advice to the UHI, according to the Washington Post.

There is no specific evidence that any of those linked to the Obamas, or the Obamas themselves, influenced the HHS decision to grant the funding to the UHI. But the large award raises questions about appearance, given the number of Obama associates connected to the program and the involvement of the first lady with its founding.

There were 3,000 applicants for this funding, and only 26 awards. HHS insists that Obama had nothing to do with the decision, and that the process underwent an “objective review.” It’s just coincidence that an old Obama friend from Chicago wound up winning the contract, while 99.1% of all applicants got a rejection slip. Amazing!

Ching chang! Bing bang! Now what?

The truth of the matter is that we have a regime in Washington that is robbing the American people and we also have a proportion to the American people who choose to look the other way while this is happening.

Call me all the names you like, you can't ignore the factoids forever! :loco:

 

[BearCat204]

There is no specific evidence that any of those linked to the Obamas, or the Obamas themselves, influenced the HHS decision to grant the funding to the UHI. But the large award raises questions about appearance, given the number of Obama associates connected to the program and the involvement of the first lady with its founding.

And 5.9million is considered a "large award"?

 

[therealUT]

THANK YOU for demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt that devout dialecticians = utter fools.

Out-freaking-standing!

Do you have another definition of liberty? If so, I would be interested in knowing what it is.

I suppose you also advocate that all police forces are obsolete in your post modern world?

I advocate the dissolution of preventive policing. If you have been harmed, feel free to take your grievance to judge. I doubt you have ever been directly harmed simply because somebody was smoking weed or snorting cocaine. If you have, then the crime is assault (not possession of narcotics). If you want to protect yourself from being harmed, invest in your own security, and defend yourself with the minimum force necessary.

I suppose you think it is America's fault that 49 dismembered bodies were found on the roads of Mexico last weekend and if we only just fired all our border patrol agents we wouldn't see such activity north of the border either,

I do not understand why dismembered bodies in Mexico are your problem; I fail to see how this is America's problem. As for homicidal activity that takes place north of the border, then investigate, follow leads, arrest, and convict those persons of murder.

maybe we should dismiss all our policemen and heck, why not fire the firemen too?

Pardon me if I don't follow you down the garden path to obfuscation and prevarication.

I figure this rant goes along with the last couplet from the preceding paragraph.

The truth of the matter and the point of this thread is that our present regime ruling Washinton is utterly corrupt from the top down, from Wall Street;

That was the truth of the matter and the point of this thread? I could have sworn it was to say that programs that help children should not receive funding simply because some ******* religious nutjob with a Ph.D. made some outlandish statements regarding the associations some of the members of these programs had over 40 years ago.

 

[therealUT]

Wow, you're as nutty as he is.

And, what is your definition of liberty?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

And, what is your definition of liberty?

His definition and his alone.

 

[gsvol]

One group is holding garbage cans, and the other group is holding AK's.

Do I win?

We have a winner, good job. k:

Wow, you're as nutty as he is.

I beg your freaking pardon sir.

What is nutty about pointing out the total corruption of the present administration.

Not to mention selling out a whole nation, our nation to be perzact.

What do you think of this?:

Obama is letting China buy our energy fields; is your state on this list? « « Coach is RightCoach is Right

In an era that demands America use energy as wisely as possible Obama is stopping us from searching for energy sources on our own soil which is bad enough, but now Obama is allowing the Chinese to buy up as much of our oil and gas as they want.

Using two front corporations, the China National Offshore Oil Corporation and the State-Owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council the Chinese Communists have entered into a $ 570 million deal that gives it a third interest in an oil and gas field in Colorado and Wyoming.

What’s worse is language in the agreement has given the Chinese government the right to a third of ANY NEW oil or gas discovered in areas encompassed by this energy site.

Aside from having their tentacles in Colorado and Wyoming other states where China has a sizable presence are as follows.

Louisiana – a $2.5 billion deal for 1/3 of a 265,000 acre energy field. China did likewise in buying a one third share of a Michigan energy field.

The Chinese Communists have acquired a one third share in energy producing fields in Ohio – Utica Shale field. Oklahoma has them as well. The Chi-Coms own 1/3 of a 215,000 acre field based on a deal with Devon Energy.

In Texas China owns 1/3 of the 600,000 acre Eagle Ford Shale energy field and they own a small piece of the energy producing sections of the Gulf of Mexico.

How's that tweak your CO2 hole?

And 5.9million is considered a "large award"?

It's ten+ times as much as the bone thrown to Dorhn, she should be outraged for being treated like an old dog.

Longtime Obama pal Eric Whitaker keeps popping onto political scene | The Daily Caller

Eric Whitaker has been friends with Barack Obama ever since they pursued graduate degrees at Harvard together.

Whitaker — who now runs the Urban Health Initiative (UHI) out of the University of Chicago Medical Center — often vacations with the first family, is a regular golf partner of President Obama’s and has organized Chicago-area parties for when the president visits the Windy City.

Publicly released visitor logs show “Eric Whitaker” has officially visited the White House seven times during the Obama administration, mostly for social functions, including a July 4, 2010 pool party, a Feb. 2, 2011 Super Bowl party and a Feb. 24, 2011 Motown tribute concert. Two of those seven visits have been to the family residence.

But the White House visitor logs are limited in that they date back only to Sept. 15, 2009, and do not include “access records related to purely personal guests of the first and second families,” according to WhiteHouse.gov.

Those omissions could preclude many more “personal” White House visits by Whitaker.

On Monday, Whitaker’s close relationship with Obama was twice over thrust back into the public spotlight.

A new book by New York Times bestselling author Edward Klein titled “The Amateur” examines President Obama’s closest relationships, including with Whitaker.

In a Monday afternoon radio interview with Sean Hannity, Klein revealed that Whitaker had purportedly offered Rev. Jeremiah Wright — an infamous and challenging weight on Obama’s 2008 campaign — $150,000 to stay silent until after the election was over. Wright refused Whitaker’s offer, Klein said.

Also on Monday, White House Dossier reported that the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has awarded the UHI a $5.9 million taxpayer grant.

The UHI was originally inspired by a program created by Michelle Obama when she was a highly paid executive at the University of Chicago Medical Center. She was involved in creating the UHI as a means of pushing low-income Chicagoans with non-urgent ailments away from the university’s emergency room and toward neighborhood clinics.

Whitaker now leads that project.

HHS insisted that the decision to award the competitive grant to a program run by Obama’s best friend was free from White House involvement.

Obama’s relationship with Whitaker also intersected politically in 2008 when then-Sen. Obama sought to fend off questions regarding his political proximity to Tony Rezko.

Rezko, in his prior role as former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s fundraiser and adviser, had his business associates appointed to various positions and boards in the state. Using that leverage, Rezko was able to illegally demand financial kickbacks from businesses looking to set up shop in Illinois.

Rezko is now serving out a 10 and a half year prison sentence for his involvement in political corruption.

President-elect Barack Obama jokes with friends Dr. Eric Whitaker (C) and Eugene Kang on the 18th green during a round of golf with friends December 29, 2008 at the Mid Pacific Country Club in Kailua, Hawaii. (TIM SLOAN/AFP/Getty Images)

Speaking of golf, Bamahole has been golphing 120+ times in less that 3 1/2 years and the media says nothing, Bush went golfing 23 times in 8 years and it was a major crime, no media bias I'd say.

Do you have another definition of liberty? If so, I would be interested in knowing what it is.

What is your definition of political corruption?
That question is more to the point and on topic in this thread.

I advocate the dissolution of preventive policing. If you have been harmed, feel free to take your grievance to judge. I doubt you have ever been directly harmed simply because somebody was smoking weed or snorting cocaine. If you have, then the crime is assault (not possession of narcotics). If you want to protect yourself from being harmed, invest in your own security, and defend yourself with the minimum force necessary.

If you are dead how are you going to see a judge?
I take you are for completely open borders?

I do not understand why dismembered bodies in Mexico are your problem; I fail to see how this is America's problem. As for homicidal activity that takes place north of the border, then investigate, follow leads, arrest, and convict those persons of murder.

Duh, that may be why we have a border and theoretically control who crosses that border into our country or not, ya think?

I figure this rant goes along with the last couplet from the preceding paragraph.

So does you habitual obfuscations and prevarications.

That was the truth of the matter and the point of this thread? I could have sworn it was to say that programs that help children should not receive funding simply because some ******* religious nutjob with a Ph.D. made some outlandish statements regarding the associations some of the members of these programs had over 40 years ago.

Programs that help children be indoctrinated into radical left wing political action help no one, especially the law abiding tax payers.

 

[therealUT]

What is your definition of political corruption?
That question is more to the point and on topic in this thread.

Since, I answer questions that are asked of me, here is my gloss on the criteria I would use to judge whether an individual in a certain position is acting in a corrupt manner (this is distinct from judging whether systemic corruption is prevalent):

1. Is this individual intentionally acting outside the bounds of their stated authority?

2. Is this individual intentionally refusing to act in accordance with a statute or a standing legal precedent?

and,

3. Is the primary intention of this individual imprudent self-interest?

You prove those three things to me, with regard to Holder, and I will agree that he is corrupt.

The precedent for selling and giving arms to foreign nationals is a long-standing precedent in America (hell, Reagan did it with both the Contras and the Afghan fighters); moreover, giving arms as bait seems much more palatable than simply giving arms to fight and kill communists. The scandal cannot simply be due to the fact that Fast and Furious failed (which is what you would like because it takes the heat off Wide Receiver, Ashcroft, and GWB).

Now, your definition of liberty, if you please...

If you are dead how are you going to see a judge?

For you, it will be from hell. Maybe, if you are lucky, you will have friends and/or family who bring the complaint to a judge.

I take you are for completely open borders?

Either completely open borders or the end of hypocritical American boasts regarding liberty and freedom.

Duh, that may be why we have a border and theoretically control who crosses that border into our country or not, ya think?

Why does this necessitate control of the crossings?

So does you habitual obfuscations and prevarications.

You still have not answered many of my questions; however, I already know that for most answers you simply turn to individuals who you view as authorities, while spurning any use of logic, to return with your ultra-right-wing talking points for the day.

Define liberty.

Programs that help children be indoctrinated into radical left wing political action help no one, especially the law abiding tax payers.

Do you have proof? Or, do you simply make accusations based on certain convictions you hold dear to your heart?

 

[gsvol]

Since, I answer questions that are asked of me, here is my gloss on the criteria I would use to judge whether an individual in a certain position is acting in a corrupt manner (this is distinct from judging whether systemic corruption is prevalent):

1. Is this individual intentionally acting outside the bounds of their stated authority?

2. Is this individual intentionally refusing to act in accordance with a statute or a standing legal precedent?

and,

3. Is the primary intention of this individual imprudent self-interest?

You prove those three things to me, with regard to Holder, and I will agree that he is corrupt.

The precedent for selling and giving arms to foreign nationals is a long-standing precedent in America (hell, Reagan did it with both the Contras and the Afghan fighters); moreover, giving arms as bait seems much more palatable than simply giving arms to fight and kill communists. The scandal cannot simply be due to the fact that Fast and Furious failed (which is what you would like because it takes the heat off Wide Receiver, Ashcroft, and GWB).

Fast and Furious was designed to undermine American 2nd Amendment rights, plain and simple.

If you don't have proof enough of all the above when it comes to Eric Holder, then you will probably never have enough.

When all else fails, blame Bush.

Now, your definition of liberty, if you please...

Simly put, liberty means that the individual citizen is in charge of all the decisions he makes and actions he takes provided he doesn't violate criminal or civil law.

For you, it will be from hell. Maybe, if you are lucky, you will have friends and/or family who bring the complaint to a judge.

You had better to worry about your own self.

Either completely open borders or the end of hypocritical American boasts regarding liberty and freedom.

That's nuts!

Why does this necessitate control of the crossings?

Because it is wise for a nation to administer it's own borders and be in charge of what and who cross into or out of said country.

1.
You still have not answered many of my questions; however, I already know that for most answers you simply turn to individuals who you view as authorities, while spurning any use of logic, to return with your ultra-right-wing talking points for the day.

2. Define liberty.

1. And you pull your answeres out of thin air, defying all logic.

2. See above.

Do you have proof? Or, do you simply make accusations based on certain convictions you hold dear to your heart?

Reasearch it yourself.

Much has been written on the topic.

They pulled their initatives right out of the Alinsky handbook for the most part.

 

[therealUT]

Simly put, liberty means that the individual citizen is in charge of all the decisions he makes and actions he takes provided he doesn't violate criminal or civil law.

Easily the worst definition of liberty I have ever seen; if that is the case, then every nation, even the most tyrannical, can claim to provide the same liberty to their subjects (the liberty to do what they want provided they do not violate the criminal or civil laws of the tyranny).

 

[gsvol]

Easily the worst definition of liberty I have ever seen; if that is the case, then every nation, even the most tyrannical, can claim to provide the same liberty to their subjects (the liberty to do what they want provided they do not violate the criminal or civil laws of the tyranny).

However you define any word, I doubt that granting large sums of tax money to the likes of Dohrn is going to enhance anyone's liberty.