Another official bible trivia/? thread

[OrangeEmpire]

To chatt town,

Judas was not evil/bad guy but a scape goat of the councils of Nicaea, discuss?

Second, most important figure of the second holy roman empire, constantine or Belisarius?

[dduncan4163]

The Gospels provide no clear religious or political rationale for Judas’ betrayal. Matthew suggested that his motive was simply greed by describing how he bargained with the chief priests for 30 pieces of silver – the recompense that the Torah required for the accidental killing of a slave. Mark and Luke, however, indicated that chief priests were the ones who first made the offer of money. John wrote that during Jesus’ ministry Judas held the trusted position of treasurer for the twelve, and John accused him of stealing their funds. But when he wrote of the betrayal, John did not mention money.


For Luke and John, Judas’ personal motives were less important than the assertion that it was Satan that brought about the betrayal. Still important for the Gospel writers was the fact that God’s will determined the manner of Jesus’ death (Mark 14:21). John indicated that the disciples suspected nothing when Judas quickly left the Last Supper to prepare for Jesus’ arrest.


When the moment of arrest came, Judas led a large group to the garden of Gethsemane on the Mount of Olives. Since Jesus was a public figure, it is unlikely that Judas’ kiss was needed to identify Jesus. Matthew, Mark, and Luke portray Judas leading “a crowd” of Jews, including many who had heard Jesus teach in the temple (Mark 14:43-49). On the other hand, John described Judas leading Jewish officers and a “band of soldiers.” The term John used indicates a company of Roman troops.


What became of Judas? The New Testament provides two accounts. Matthew reported that he repented, returned the money, and in deep remorse went out and hanged himself. The priests used the tainted money to buy a burial ground for foreigners, a potter’s field called the “Field of Blood” (Matthew 27:3-10)


The Book of Acts recorded that Judas himself bought a field with the money and “falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out” so that his field was called “Field of Blood” (Acts 1:18-19). From his beginning to his horrible end, the dark character of Judas Iscariot remains an enigma.

[OrangeEmpire]

In short, Judas was a zealot and Judas thought he would force Jesus' hand into fighting the romans/jewish establishment at the betrayel.

[KiffinKiller]

sympathy for judas

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by KiffinKiller

sympathy for judas

Exactly

[chatt-townVOL]

Truth be told OE my emphasis in college was on apologetics (ie. defending the faith against atheism, evolutionists, etc). I do believe Judas to be a pretty cut and dry a traitor but as for delving into the many possibilities about his motives I feel like the debates could be endless. I am curious however to hear your theory about him being used as a scapegoat for the Council of Nicea (I'm assuming of course you're talking about the First Council of Nicea?) which was hundreds of years after Jesus death. So are we saying it was something purposely misinterpreted? Not saying this for debate purposes just curious about the core of your theory.

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by chatt-townVOL

Truth be told OE my emphasis in college was on apologetics (ie. defending the faith against atheism, evolutionists, etc). I do believe Judas to be a pretty cut and dry a traitor but as for delving into the many possibilities about his motives I feel like the debates could be endless. I am curious however to hear your theory about him being used as a scapegoat for the Council of Nicea (I'm assuming of course you're talking about the First Council of Nicea?) which was hundreds of years after Jesus death. So are we saying it was something purposely misinterpreted? Not saying this for debate purposes just curious about the core of your theory.

Theory?

You a fan of Bill Fay?


Second ? no interest?

[OrangeEmpire]

No reason to go into evolution debate, soda pop already did that 600 pages worth.

So any thing exciting other than mon calamari cruisers vs star destroyers

[n_huffhines]

Originally Posted by KiffinKiller

sympathy for judas

YouTube Link

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by n_huffhines

YouTube Link

Wish I could see it

[KiffinKiller]

its great. Will Sasso was so underrated.

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by KiffinKiller

its great. Will Sasso was so underrated.

His Steven Seagal skits?

[KiffinKiller]

Originally Posted by OrangeEmpire

His Steven Seagal skits?

yes. those. And his Terminator 2: the musical.

[OrangeEmpire]

Originally Posted by KiffinKiller

yes. those. And his Terminator 2: the musical.

Lol

[PKT_VOL]

Originally Posted by chatt-townVOL

Truth be told OE my emphasis in college was on apologetics (ie. defending the faith against atheism, evolutionists, etc). I do believe Judas to be a pretty cut and dry a traitor but as for delving into the many possibilities about his motives I feel like the debates could be endless. I am curious however to hear your theory about him being used as a scapegoat for the Council of Nicea (I'm assuming of course you're talking about the First Council of Nicea?) which was hundreds of years after Jesus death. So are we saying it was something purposely misinterpreted? Not saying this for debate purposes just curious about the core of your theory.

If that's the case, you should post here more often when religious matters present themselves in the political forum.