My disdain for the mainstream media in the Martin case

[cd12]

Maybe both of them stood their ground?

[n_huffhines]

Can't wait for the book. If it's half as good as Until Proven Innocent, I'll get a neck sprain from smdh.

[Coach Grizz]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Wright

To LG's initial post, I also remember it being reported that Zimmerman had a bloody nose, which only validates the incomepetence of the Sanford Police Department.

Bring Zimmerman in for questioning, take pictures of his bloody nose and maybe the public reaction isn't as volatile.

Well Elll Dubya, even if he had a bloody nose.... He put the kid on the defensive by stalking him.

[lawgator1]

Originally Posted by Coach Grizz

Well Elll Dubya, even if he had a bloody nose.... He put the kid on the defensive by stalking him.

Overcharacterize much ? Calling it "stalking" is exactly the kind of rhetorical device that misleads and exaggerates, causing the other side to do the same, and both of you lose all credibility.

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by lawgator1

Overcharacterize much ? Calling it "stalking" is exactly the kind of rhetorical device that misleads and exaggerates, causing the other side to do the same, and both of you lose all credibility.

I just have a hard time believing Zimmerman, after being told not to follow Martin, was then blindsided by Martin.

If I'm the neighborhood watch captain, right or wrong, my first instinct is to "watch", even if it means following someone who looks out of place. Given how suspicious Zimmerman was of Martin, it makes little sense that the white Hispanglish guy lost track of Martin's whereabouts.

[lawgator1]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Wright

I just have a hard time believing Zimmerman, after being told not to follow Martin, was then blindsided by Martin.

If I'm the neighborhood watch captain, right or wrong, my first instinct is to "watch", even if it means following someone who looks out of place. Given how suspicious Zimmerman was of Martin, it makes little sense that the white Hispanglish guy lost track of Martin's whereabouts.

I agree with you. But 1) there is a difference between briefly following and "stalking;" 2) I don't know what the evidence is and so would refrain from using descriptions that are so loaded.

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by lawgator1

I agree with you. But 1) there is a difference between briefly following and "stalking;" 2) I don't know what the evidence is and so would refrain from using descriptions that are so loaded.

Agree on the difference between following and stalking.

I don't know what the evidence is either. I'm of the opinion that if we are to believe Zimmerman's story, Martin must have turned into a ninja after Zimmerman was watching him like a hawk for 2+ minutes while on the phone with the 911 operator.

[emainvol]

Originally Posted by utvolpj

if accurate, the reports I've seen say he's 5'9" 250lb. If that's true the only shape he's in is pear

Well I watched him walk around for a minute in that surveillance video, and i got the impression that those reports are inaccurate.

[n_huffhines]

Originally Posted by emainvol

Well I watched him walk around for a minute in that surveillance video, and i got the impression that those reports are inaccurate.

What I saw is that he was reported to be 200 lbs

[lawgator1]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Wright

Agree on the difference between following and stalking.

I don't know what the evidence is either. I'm of the opinion that if we are to believe Zimmerman's story, Martin must have turned into a ninja after Zimmerman was watching him like a hawk for 2+ minutes while on the phone with the 911 operator.

First, in terms of fact, the timeframe the authorities have come up with between when Zimmerman told "We don't need you to do that" and the gunshot is one minute. Not 2. And what occurred in that 60 seconds is everything.

Second, no, Martin does not have to "become a ninja" for Zimmerman's story to be true. Far from it. Let me posit a theory:

1) Martin has a history suggestive of burglary. See incident in high school with burglary tools and jewelery he says he got "from a friend" he could not name.

2) Martin goes to the store and on the way back home he is acting suspiciously. Whether he is casing houses for burglarizing I don't know. No one will. But let's say that is what it looked like.

3) Zimmerman sees him. He calls it in and tells the 911 operator at first he does not know the race of the individual he is watching because of the hoodie. Puts quite the damper on racial profiling theories.

4) Martin is walking towards him, which explains Zimmerman's comment on the call that Martin is approaching him.

5) Zimmerman gets out of his car and Martin alters course.

6) Zimmerman follows.

7) Zimmerman is told we don't need you to do that, he says ok, and within, say, 10 seconds or so stops, turns around and heads back to his car.

8) Martin, aware he has been spotted,comes back towards Zimmerman, whether to confront him or to find out just how much trouble he might be in. Words are exchanged.

9) Martin punches Zimmerman, Zimmerman falls to the ground. Zimmerman is calling for help as Martin smacks his head down.

10) Gun comes out and there you go,



What, in the evidence we know of so far, disproves that sequence of events?

[hndog609]

Originally Posted by lawgator1

First, in terms of fact, the timeframe the authorities have come up with between when Zimmerman told "We don't need you to do that" and the gunshot is one minute. Not 2. And what occurred in that 60 seconds is everything.

Second, no, Martin does not have to "become a ninja" for Zimmerman's story to be true. Far from it. Let me posit a theory:

1) Martin has a history suggestive of burglary. See incident in high school with burglary tools and jewelery he says he got "from a friend" he could not name.

2) Martin goes to the store and on the way back home he is acting suspiciously. Whether he is casing houses for burglarizing I don't know. No one will. But let's say that is what it looked like.

3) Zimmerman sees him. He calls it in and tells the 911 operator at first he does not know the race of the individual he is watching because of the hoodie. Puts quite the damper on racial profiling theories.

4) Martin is walking towards him, which explains Zimmerman's comment on the call that Martin is approaching him.

5) Zimmerman gets out of his car and Martin alters course.

6) Zimmerman follows.

7) Zimmerman is told we don't need you to do that, he says ok, and within, say, 10 seconds or so stops, turns around and heads back to his car.

8) Martin, aware he has been spotted,comes back towards Zimmerman, whether to confront him or to find out just how much trouble he might be in. Words are exchanged.

9) Martin punches Zimmerman, Zimmerman falls to the ground. Zimmerman is calling for help as Martin smacks his head down.

10) Gun comes out and there you go,



What, in the evidence we know of so far, disproves that sequence of events?

Do we know how far from the vehicle the actual shooting took place?

[PuntBamaPunt]

you are better off w/out the jewelry/casing comments, the story works without them.

[Lexvol]

I don't see how anyone could look at the mainstream reporting on this case and say that it isn't agenda driven. It also calls Obama's comments into question as well.

[dreVol]

can't say I'm surprised. ABC had to keep the narrative alive.

Police Surveillance Video | George Zimmerman | Head Injury | The Daily Caller

[lawgator1]

Originally Posted by hndog609

Do we know how far from the vehicle the actual shooting took place?

The police do. We will know more later.

Originally Posted by PuntBamaPunt

you are better off w/out the jewelry/casing comments, the story works without them.

True, but I could not help myself only because of the effort to portray Martin as a wonderful kid, with no criminal history, and a bag of skittles.