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Old 03-19-2011, 02:33 PM   #46 (permalink)
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met some French soldiers and some Legionnaires in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm. Their regular soldiers are definitely competent, the Legionnaires are scary.

France makes some nice fighter aircraft too.
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:40 PM   #47 (permalink)
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The French have been the lead on this from the beginning, gsvol. The ole French cliches don't hold this time.
Vive La France!!!

Two questions;

1. What do you think the main motivation of the
French may be?

2. Provided Quackdaffy's forces can be brought
to a standstill, what do you think the UN solution
may be then??

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met some French soldiers and some Legionnaires in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm. Their regular soldiers are definitely competent, the Legionnaires are scary.

France makes some nice fighter aircraft too.
I briefly considered joining the Legionnaires (sp?). It actually sounds like a great way to start a new life.
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they still wear the cool pillbox hats, at least they did during Desert Storm.
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Exactly, I have a lot of respect for Sarkozy, not just for this. Also we have just launched missile strikes against targets, assuming anti-air sites.
By 'we' I assume you mean UN forces?

I've not heard of any US forces deployed other
than support transport aircraft.

I agree Sarkozy is a big improvement over past
liberal heads of the French government.
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By 'we' I assume you mean UN forces?

I've not heard of any US forces deployed other
than support transport aircraft.

I agree Sarkozy is a big improvement over past
liberal heads of the French government.
The US Navy operating under the UN mandate yes, per the briefing just now US ships have launched between 110-120 cruise missiles targeting the Libyan air defense network.
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Libya: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya - ABC News

nothing says "hello" quite like a Tomahawk cruise missile
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U.S., allies strike targets in Libya

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Interesting note: those 120 cruise missiles amounted to $68,280,000.
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Libya: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya - ABC News

nothing says "hello" quite like a Tomahawk cruise missile
We'll be hearing about the civilian casualties in 5...4..3..2...too late, already happened.

Airstrikes begin on Libya targets - Africa - Al Jazeera English
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We'll be hearing about the civilian casualties in 5...4..3..2...too late, already happened.

Airstrikes begin on Libya targets - Africa - Al Jazeera English
Ya, according to the Libyan State media. Not even Al Jazeera takes them seriously in this context.
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I'm hearing a French plane might be down.
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Interesting note: those 120 cruise missiles amounted to $68,280,000.

“What are the facts? Again and again and again –
what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore
divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,”
avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think,
never mind the unguessable “verdict of history” –
what are the facts, and to how many decimal
places? You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your single clue. Get the facts!”
— Robert A. Heinlein

Intellignce on al-Qaeda in Iraq that has been
killing and maiming American soldiers for several
years now:

Pajamas Media Saving the Libyan Islamists

Quote:
The West Point analysts’ statistical study of
the al-Qaeda personnel records comes to the
conclusion that one country provided “far more”
foreign fighters in per capita terms than any
other: namely, Libya.
Furthermore, the records show that the “vast
majority of Libyan fighters that included their
hometown in the Sinjar Records resided in the
country’s Northeast.”

The contributions of two cities in particular
stand out. One of these has in the last month
become a household name: Benghazi. The second
is precisely Darnah: the city in which, according
to Libyan government sources, an Islamic emirate
was declared when the unrest started in February
and that thereby earned a visit from the New York
Times to prove that it was not so. Darnah lies to
the east of Benghazi, behind the battle lines
created by the furthest advance of Libyan
government forces prior to the announcement
of Thursday’s UN Security Council resolution.

While in Darnah, New York Times reporter Anthony
Shadid even spoke with Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi:
the man who, according to Libyan government
sources, had declared the Islamic emirate. Shadid
found al-Hasadi “running Darnah’s defenses.”
According to Shadid’s would-be reassuring account
of their conversation, al-Hasadi “praises Osama bin
Laden’s ‘good points,’ but denounces the 9/11
attacks on the United States.” (One must read
backwards from the introduction of al-Hasadi’s
name into Shadid’s narrative to realize that these
quotes come from him.)

A report from Benghazi in the French daily Le
Figaro identifies the same al-Hasadi as the “voice
of Libya’s Islamists” and claims that a transitional
government could only be formed with his approval.
The New York Times — or the Obama administration
— might remember that the Osama bin Laden whom
al-Hasadi “praises” has declared war on America.
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The US Navy operating under the UN mandate yes, per the briefing just now US ships have launched between 110-120 cruise missiles targeting the Libyan air defense network.
I know that no one much considers the US Constitution
any more but it is my understanding that any president
isn't supposed to order any such military action without
authorization from congress unless it poses an 'imminent
threat' to the USA.





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We'll be hearing about the civilian casualties in 5...4..3..2...too late, already happened.

Airstrikes begin on Libya targets - Africa - Al Jazeera English
Remember the old saying; "Believe nothing you hear
and only half of what you see?"

At any rate I read one report that gave casualties
at about the time we commenced attacks or air
defenses to be approx 15,000 and it was also
reported that Quackdaffy had been storing bodies
to be produced as claimed civilian casualties from
UN attacks!
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Remember the old saying; "Believe nothing you hear
and only half of what you see?"

At any rate I read one report that gave casualties
at about the time we commenced attacks or air
defenses to be approx 15,000 and it was also
reported that Quackdaffy had been storing bodies
to be produced as claimed civilian casualties from
UN attacks!
Even if no proof is ever given, I'll believe that to be fact due to my mental capacity to reason.
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