Cuba in Angola

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#3
A cancer that spread and brought down the best chances for free nations in Africa.

New Zeal: South African Communist Leader on the Significance of the Egyptian Revolution

I equate cuba in Angola with Obama in the White House.

Are you serious? Except those petrified in ossified Cold War paradigms (which were never real), Cuba is almost universally regarded with the freedom and independence of Angola, Namibia, and the acceleration of the fall of Apartheid.

From Nelson Mandela himself:

The Cuban people hold a special place in the hearts ofthe people of Africa. The Cuban intemationalists have made a contribution to African independence, freedom, and justice unparalleled for its principled and selfless character. We in Africa are used to being victims of countries wanting to carve up our territory or subvert our sovereignty. It is unparalleled in African history to have another people rise to the defense of one of us. The defeat of the apartheid army
was an inspiration to the struggling people in South Africa! Without the defeat of Cuito Cuanavale our organizations would not have been unbannedW The
defeat of the racist army at Cuito Cuanavale has made it possible for me to be here today!
 
#5
#5
Sometimes what looks like a step forward isn't always a step forward.
 
#7
#7
Mandela was a communist terrorist, what do you
expect him to say?? What did he say about the
brutal North Korean regular army in Angola and
their torture camps??

We've discussed this on this board before.
Have you ever read 'The Great Betrayal',
which has been republished as 'Bitter Harvest?'

It is by former Rhodesian PM Ian Smith and in
it he reveals how commie loving Carter helped
overthrow the duly elected black president
of that country in favor of a coup by the
communist thug Mugabe who has been far
more cruel to his own people than any white
ever was and who has been devestating to
the white population and has turned the bread
basket of Africa that has to now import food
that it can't afford to pay for.

I also posted very much of a book on here called
'The Great South African Land Scandal.'

You should do yourself a favor and read the
whole book, in it Dr. Philip Du Toit goes into
great detail on how the most modern country
in all Africa is slowly slipping back into the
stone age.

A little South Africxan history for you, the Dutch
Boers (farmers) were settled in South Africa a
hundred years before the militant Zulu tribe
arrived and two hundred before the British
invaded.

During the Boer war the British starved to death
thousands of Boers, mostly women and childred
in concentration camps, along with thousands
more of their black allies.

The Africaans word 'apartheid' comes form a
treaty between the Boers and the Zulu in which
both sides agreed to live 'apartheid' (apart) and
the blood river was the clear dividing line.

One of the communist songs during which the
communists killed far more blacks in a short while
than the white government ever did and now
hide genocide against white has a song with
the words; 'kill the Boer' which the ruling ANC
communist party defends and sings at their
rallies.

The official South African government puts the
total of Boers who have been brutally murdered
at 3,500, 35,000 is far more realistic.

Boer Genocide

Rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to death;don't stand

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The modern South African government is very
forward looking.

This is the latest president celebrating at his
marriage to his fifth wife.

There is a similar picture of him celebrating his
election while singing a song he wrote titled
'pass me my machine gun so I can kill one more
white.'

Ever stop to think that apartheid may have been
preferable to gewnocide??

BTW, what do you think of the Cuban genocide
brought on the Cuban people who couldn't escape
in which on a per capita basis these freedom loving
communists slaughtered more of their own people
than either Stalin or Mao.

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#8
Are you serious? Except those petrified in ossified Cold War paradigms (which were never real), Cuba is almost universally regarded with the freedom and independence of Angola, Namibia, and the acceleration of the fall of Apartheid.

The fact that you think of Cuba as a force for freedom is mindboggling. The fact that you said "universally regarded" is beyond ignorant.
 
#10
#10
Way to exaggerate

No, that's an understated if anything.

Try reading the real facts of Mandela's history.

Terrorist watch!

They offered to comute Mandela's sentence
and set him free if he would just renounce
violence, he would not.

The Plain Truth: The Crimes of Terrorist Nelson Mandela

The fact is that even Amnesty International
refused to take on Nelson Mandela’s case because
they asserted that he was no political prisoner
but had committed numerous violent crimes and
had had a fair trial and a reasonable sentence.

--------------------------

* The full list of munitions and charges read
as follows:

• One count under the South African Suppression
of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that
the accused committed acts calculated to
further the achievement of the objective
of communism;


• One count of contravening the South African
Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any
person from soliciting or receiving any money
or articles for the purpose of achieving organized
defiance of laws and country; and

• Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding
or procuring the commission of the following acts:

1) The further recruitment of persons for
instruction and training, both within and outside
the Republic of South Africa, in:

(a) the preparation, manufacture and use of
explosives—for the purpose of committing acts
of violence and destruction in the aforesaid
Republic, (the preparation and manufacture
of explosives, according to evidence
submitted, included 210,000 hand
grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines,
1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium
nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder
and a ton of black powder
);

(b) the art of warfare, including guerrilla
warfare, and military training generally for
the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

(ii) Further acts of violence and destruction,
(this includes 193 counts
of terrorism committed between 1961
and 1963
);

(iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid
Republic;

(iv) Acts of assistance to military units of
foreign countries when involving the aforesaid
Republic;

(v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution
in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused,
injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless
or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed,
with or endangered:


(a) the health or safety of the public;
(b) the maintenance of law and order;
(c) the supply and distribution of light, power
or fuel;
(d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations;
(e) the free movement of traffic on land; and
(f) the property, movable or immovable, of
other persons or of the state.

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His wife Winnie, if anything was even worse
than him, particularly against blacks who
supported or were even suspected of supporting
the government in any way.

She was a brutal murderess of epic proportions.

AfricanCrisis

South Africa P.I.G.: Execution by Necklacing

During Nelson Mandela's trial, they found a
document wherein he had said that some hideous
punishment must be found for "traitors" (i.e. Blacks
who actually support, work with and are friendly
to Whites). In this document, Nelson Mandela
suggested - cutting off their noses.

Years later, his wife, Winnie Mandela, publicised
the idea of "necklacing" the traitors.

For non-South African readers: the "necklace"
was a method of execution used by the ANC
'liberation army guerillas" whereby black 'sellouts
to apartheid" were cruelly torched to death with
petrol-filled tyre placed around their necks. Some
400 people were burnt alive by this ANC-horror
execution.

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Winnie said she was freeing Africa one match
at a time, someone should have popped a cap
up her butt and liberated her dumbass.

Zimbabwe refugees in South Africa, and Mrs Mandela?s necklace - Blogger News Network

Winnie Mandela, the Necklacing Murderous Diva

"The man who reads nothing is better informed
than the man who reads only newspapers."
Thomas Jefferson.
 
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Seconded. He was an enemy of the Republic. "Guerilla warfare"....what do you think George Washington did?

Fought to liberate his countrymen from one oppressive gov't but then to NOT replace it with another. Fought for individual rights rather than group rights and communism. Fought to assure that future generations would enjoy such inalienable rights as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...
 
#13
#13
Seconded. He was an enemy of the Republic. "Guerilla warfare"....what do you think George Washington did?

Bat guano, equating Washington and Mandela
makes about as much sense as equating Obama
and Reagan, but hell, such idiotic nonsense
is widespread these brainwashed days.

Let me point out a few differences.

Washington fought for a republic not against
one, he fought against a kingdom.

Washington didn't fight a guerilla war, he raised
an army and fought against a foreign army.

Washington DID NOT plant bombs in resturants
and kill women and children while they were
trying to have lunch.

Washington DID NOT terrorize and murder
political opponents.

Name just one communist government that
hasn't indulged in genocide against political
opposition.

Name just one communist government that
hasn't been a horrible failure.

Name just one communist government that
has been an economic success.

South Africa Apartheid Defined by Amercian Apartheid

South Africa has one of the highest murder rates in the world with Johannesburg possessing the distinction of "murder capital" of the world. Ninety out of every 100,000 persons will be murdered this year in South Africa. Often murders are committed in conjunction with rape and robbery. Inadequate record keeping and under reporting has hindered efforts to properly assess the acceleration of violence. (The Star and the Mail Guardian ).
 
#14
#14
Are you serious? Except those petrified in ossified Cold War paradigms (which were never real), Cuba is almost universally regarded with the freedom and independence of Angola, Namibia, and the acceleration of the fall of Apartheid.

Gibbs, I really appreciate the way you highlight the left's ignorance by using extreme absurdity in your sarcastic posts. Keep the pressure on these liberals with your hard hitting wit.
 
#15
#15
Seconded. He was an enemy of the Republic. "Guerilla warfare"....what do you think George Washington did?

Bat guano, equating Washington and Mandela
makes about as much sense as equating Obama
and Reagan, but hell, such idiotic nonsense
is widespread these brainwashed days.

Let me point out a few differences.

Washington fought for a republic not against
one, he fought against a kingdom.

Washington didn't fight a guerilla war, he raised
an army and fought against a foreign army.

Washington DID NOT plant bombs in resturants
and kill women and children while they were
trying to have lunch.

Washington DID NOT terrorize and murder
political opponents.

Name just one communist government that
hasn't indulged in genocide against political
opposition.

Name just one communist government that
hasn't been a horrible failure.

Name just one communist government that
has been an economic success.

South Africa Apartheid Defined by Amercian Apartheid

South Africa has one of the highest murder rates in the world with Johannesburg possessing the distinction of "murder capital" of the world. Ninety out of every 100,000 persons will be murdered this year in South Africa. Often murders are committed in conjunction with rape and robbery. Inadequate record keeping and under reporting has hindered efforts to properly assess the acceleration of violence. (The Star and the Mail Guardian ).
 
#16
#16
Are you serious? Except those petrified in ossified Cold War paradigms (which were never real), Cuba is almost universally regarded with the freedom and independence of Angola, Namibia, and the acceleration of the fall of Apartheid.

From Nelson Mandela himself:

All I can write about this is WOW.
I have personally talked with MANY Cubans about life in the Island paradise. I have a friend that had 3 failed escape attempts. he was sent to USSR to get further educated in Chemistry. The plane stopped in Ireland, he got out and didn't get back on. He lives in Miami now. He had some fascinating stories about Cuba and is still desperately trying to get one of his daughters out.

I have friends that have been to Cuba to visit relatives (parents). They told me stories that I thought were to incredible to be real.

All I can write is that you need to expand your horizons and travel. Meet actual Cubans and tell them your crap, see what they have to say to all your academic BS. Don't be surprised if you find yourself run out of town.
 
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#17
No gasguy... you don't understand. gibbs can see life in Cuba out his backdoor. He lives in a Progressive fairyland where the rules of the real world never apply.

In gibb's world, companies can create wealth no matter how much of their capital gov't taxes away... "truth" is the product of wishing real hard... You need to drop your silly objections and join gibb's supermajority.
 
#19
#19
He was unquestionably a terrorist.
90% of the country was oppressed, and he helped change things. When he was put in charge, it's not like he was murderous and hungry for revenge, despite the fact he was jailed for so long. His economic views may suck, but he wasn't a terrorist. Terrorists are psychotic and kill a bunch of innocent people. He was rebelling against a crap system. I'm not sure there was a better way to handle things.
 
#20
#20
All I can write about this is WOW.
I have personally talked with MANY Cubans about life in the Island paradise. I have a friend that had 3 failed escape attempts. he was sent to USSR to get further educated in Chemistry. The plane stopped in Ireland, he got out and didn't get back on. He lives in Miami now. He had some fascinating stories about Cuba and is still desperately trying to get one of his daughters out.

I have friends that have been to Cuba to visit relatives (parents). They told me stories that I thought were to incredible to be real.

All I can write is that you need to expand your horizons and travel. Meet actual Cubans and tell them your crap, see what they have to say to all your academic BS. Don't be surprised if you find yourself run out of town.

Oh, I know a lot of Cubans. And I know about 15% of the population will always be against the Revolution. That's not an insignificant fraction of the population.

But it is a superminority.

The fact is 1000s of counter-revolutionaries in the Escambray could not succeed where 12 Fidelists in the Sierra Maestra could. I certainly don't discount the stories of your friends, but certainly they aren't in the majority.
 
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#22
He was unquestionably a terrorist. Though one mans terrorist.is another mans patriot. I'd say socialist more than communist.
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Did you see the photo on the first page of the Mandelas in front of an ANC rally with the soviet flag in the background standing beside Slovo??

Slovo was the Soviet trained president of the SA communist party.

Here is the most realistic analysis I've ever read;

South Africa Apartheid Defined by Amercian Apartheid
This is a cruel hoax. Even from its beginning, black protest bore the markings of foreign origin. Communist dogma, union organization, strikes, boycotts, and now this new age world socialism, burdened with its culture of death and myriad so-called rights, have not had their origin with the ANC leadership, but have been imported into South Africa by hundreds of different channels, all originating in the realms of international finance and control. These channels include the globalist think tanks, headquartered in the U.S. and the U.K., who were responsible for shaping the fine points of the ANC platform for the '94 elections and for influencing the policy of the South African government since the elections, just as they do in the U.S.
 
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#23
Bat guano, equating Washington and Mandela
makes about as much sense as equating Obama
and Reagan, but hell, such idiotic nonsense
is widespread these brainwashed days.

Let me point out a few differences.

Washington fought for a republic not against
one, he fought against a kingdom.

Washington didn't fight a guerilla war, he raised
an army and fought against a foreign army.

Washington DID NOT plant bombs in resturants
and kill women and children while they were
trying to have lunch.

Washington DID NOT terrorize and murder
political opponents.

Name just one communist government that
hasn't indulged in genocide against political
opposition.

Name just one communist government that
hasn't been a horrible failure.

Name just one communist government that
has been an economic success.

South Africa Apartheid Defined by Amercian Apartheid

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Why/how would I name a communist country that was successful when I don't even come close to supporting communism?
 
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#24
Oh, I know a lot of Cubans. And I know about 15% of the population will always be against the Revolution. That's not an insignificant fraction of the population.

But it is a superminority.

The fact is 1000s of counter-revolutionaries in the Escambray could not succeed where 12 Fidelists in the Sierra Maestra could. I certainly don't discount the stories of your friends, but certainly they aren't in the majority.

The next time the Vols play in the Orange bowl I suggest you and I attend, after the game we can go over to little Havana and you can sell your propaganda there, no doubt I'll have a lonely trip home.





The fact that you think of Cuba as a force for freedom is mindboggling. The fact that you said "universally regarded" is beyond ignorant.

Don't let your mind stay boggled for long, what he says is widespread to say the least.

American media pretty well advances that narative, it is widespread in academia and among the young in America.

Many parts of the world buy that narative.

I would say presidents Carter, Clinton and Obama would buy that, remember Obama worked tirelessly in college to organize protests and put pressure on Universities and corporations to not invest in South Africa in order to bring down the government and replace it with a communist inspired one.

Presidential candidates Gore and Kerry would agree with the narative and McLame would give only a milketoast weak rebuttal.

Although congress might not buy that narative you would be hard put find many who would speak forcefully against it.

The following article explains what happened and is happening quite well:

South Africa Apartheid Defined by Amercian Apartheid

It means the erasing of their Christian-based culture and replacing it with a post-Christian pagan culture and everything that comes with it - crime, fear, economic and political upheaval, and a gnawing uncertainty for life itself. The price for this so-called "freedom" increases day by day.

Whatever the crimes of the old South African regime, they are no worse than those of the Communist Chinese government which enjoys Most Favored Nation trading status with the U.S. In 1960, 69 blacks were killed by South African police bullets in what is called the "Sharpeville Massacre", an event that touched off international indignation and violent protest in South Africa.

Fewer died in Sharpeville than died at the hands of the U.S. government near Waco, Texas in 1993, or the Red Chinese army in Tiananmen Square in 1989, yet there is no official outcry over those events because human rights are not the object. Control and domination by the world's ruling elite is the true motivation.

Actually this describes current events in America, although the means and devises may be different the goals are practically identical.
 
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90% of the country was oppressed, and he helped change things. When he was put in charge, it's not like he was murderous and hungry for revenge, despite the fact he was jailed for so long. His economic views may suck, but he wasn't a terrorist. Terrorists are psychotic and kill a bunch of innocent people. He was rebelling against a crap system. I'm not sure there was a better way to handle things.

He was convicted of terrorism, that makes him a terrorist in my book.

Even Amnesty International agreed that he was fairly conviced of terrorism.

Not only was he responsible for planting bombs in resturants he was responsible for over 400 murders using the 'goodyear necklace' mode of execution where a man is tied hadn and foot, sat on the ground, has old tires shoved over his torso which are then filled with gasoline and set on fire.

This particular mode was used because it terrorized others because it was so brutal and done in public.

These acts of terrorism were against blacks who either worked for the government or were suspected of cooperating.

That's terrorism under any rational definition of terrorism.

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Birds of a feather.

Mandela may have oppsed a crap system but it was far far superior to the system which replaced it.

South Africa now is called the murder and rape capital of the world.

Rape Statistics - South Africa & Worldwide 2010

It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read.[87] One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year.
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South Africa has some of the highest incidences of child and baby rape in the world with more than 67,000 cases of rape and sexual assaults against children reported in 2000.[93] Welfare groups believe that the number of unreported incidents could be up to 10 times that number. The largest increase in attacks was against children under seven. A number of high-profile baby rapes since 2001 (including the fact that they required extensive reconstructive surgery to rebuild urinary, genital, abdominal, or tracheal systems) increased the need to address the problem socially and legally.

The Guiness book of world records and interpol both agree that South Africa holds the record for most per capita rate of rape and remember many aren't even reported and the corrupt police are notorious for filing reports in file thirteen.

How do you spin the genocide campaign against white farmers (and their black employees) going on these days in South Africa??






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Why/how would I name a communist country that was successful when I don't even come close to supporting communism?

Yet you support Mandela who was a communist??

Ironic.

You don't come close to supporting communism but you support a communist.
 

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