Beck must have more than a few fans.

[sjt18]

Consensus has never determined truth. True is true if no one believes it... un-truth is untrue if everyone (including the supposed best scientists) believes it.

I really like IPO but he and I have already had this round. He reasons that God does not exist. I believe that position to be logically untenable as well as in conflict with the direct experiences of many people including myself. Even if I weren't Christian, I do not think a have a sufficient capacity for faith to be an atheist or evolutionist.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by DinkinFlicka

Socially speaking (in America)? Yes, it most certainly is. You would have to immerse yourself in the real world as an atheist to know how it is.

It is NOT easy to be a biblical Christian in this society. YOU would have to immerse yourself in the real world of someone seriously trying to live with Christ as Lord of their life to know how it is.

FWIW, Barna suggests the number of biblical Christians is around 7-14% of the US population. IIRC, that isn't much more than atheists.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by Unimane

I swear, there must be some kind of right-wing flow chart where all arguments end at "blame the main stream media".

No. Just a recognition that how someone sees and reports something is influenced by their worldview. The MSM votes about 90% Dem with part of the rest voting something even further left. They see crisis everywhere and believe gov't should answer every crisis. They neither like nor understand conservative Christians nor the grass roots, salt of the earth types that show up for Tea Party rallies or like Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

If they acknowledged their bias openly then I would actually trust them more. They would be conscious of it. Since they either deny it or want to hide it, I trust them very, very little... and especially when reporting on things like this. This is a group that tried to ignore the TP protests for a long time before finally turning and starting to condemn them.

Bottom line: They don't want Beck or the TP to exist... and they certainly do not want to acknowledge how large and mainstream it is.

[sjt18]

Originally Posted by Unimane

Eh, I might give you the Bush part, but the "I hate America" BS is well overplayed by the right wingers. What's really happening is the typical cognitive dissonance of the right where they will weep for their passionate love of the conception of America they've conjured in their mind, while hating the reality of America today.

Wow. You apparently don't know A) as much as you think about the America of today or B) that you contradicted yourself. The left "DOES" hate America. You don't go to rallies and treat Obama like a rock star while he's promising to fundamentally transform America if you LOVE what America is.

Kind of like FoxNews correspondents always railing on the "MSM" when touting their media dominance in the next breath.

No one denies that Fox is right of center though their straight news is more objective and truthful than any I've seen recently. Fox doesn't even deny that they are right of center. The reason they're so popular... is they are a unique product in a right of center country.

[gsvol]

[gsvol]

Originally Posted by Dr Dread

You shouldn't use any form of the word "credible" until you explain how you came up with your "84% of Americans disapprove of Obama" statement.

The glory of forums like this is that you can't run from your statements.

And as for the picture that you show; it goes right toward what I stated in my post. That is a lot of people their. I can't begin to tell you how many it is' but they came to Beck's rally. So why should he get caught in debating the numbers. Just show the pictures and call it a success.

And Lord knows I wish it wasn't.

Blah blah blah.

I did link the WSJ article that quotes Rasmussen
as saying that 84% of the voter say that they
think Obambi has the country headed in the
wrong direction.

A lot of people where???

What's in their pockets do you think??





WE AIM TO PLEASE!!

[Chattaben]

After watching some of the clips from Beck's rally, I thought it was pretty funny that a Mormon was telling Christians what's wrong with certain views within Christianity, namely liberation theology. Really, a guy that is a Mormon (which is not a Christian faith) telling Christians that a certain Christian theology is a "perversion?"

[Unimane]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

Those company heads sure represent an enormous swath of those being bent over by the current idiot manning the helm.

Those tax cuts were so disastrous that we're now strongly considering keeping them, at the behest of some very bright economics types. There is no way you can possibly believe that anything other than spending is the true culprit. Bush is the bane of many conservatives because the idiot spent truckloads buying votes.
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The tax cuts are being reconsidered because the Democrats are pansies who buckle at every rabid populist attack by the Republicans, not because they have some intrinsic value. A lot of "very bright economic types" have labeled them as a disaster, especially when they cost billions of dollars of revenue.

Obama's been a far sight better than Bush, but he's failed in the sense that he didn't take the stimulus far enough, as people like Krugman and Volkler advocated in the first place. Basic economic sense states the government spends in an economic downturn and conserves in an upswing.

[Unimane]

Originally Posted by sjt18

Wow. You apparently don't know A) as much as you think about the America of today or B) that you contradicted yourself. The left "DOES" hate America. You don't go to rallies and treat Obama like a rock star while he's promising to fundamentally transform America if you LOVE what America is.

No one denies that Fox is right of center though their straight news is more objective and truthful than any I've seen recently. Fox doesn't even deny that they are right of center. The reason they're so popular... is they are a unique product in a right of center country.

That's the biggest bunch of BS and spewed constantly by the right. Basically, if you don't conform to the version of America conjured by the right, you are "hating America". And, the right has been so virulently irrational in their hatred of Obama that the concept that supporting Obama means you hate America and that he wants to fundamentally change America is beyond ridiculous, although par for the course for the hysteria plaguing the right today.

Otherwise, stating Fox is anything near objective and truthful is a affront to both ideals. People watch Fox because they pioneered the entertainment news business and cater to the paranoid right. You want to be informed by real and reliable news sources, watch PBS. You won't be entertained by some moronic bastardization of an historical topic by a megalomaniac kook, but you will have a better sense of the real world.

[volinbham]

Originally Posted by Unimane

Basic economic sense states the government spends in an economic downturn and conserves in an upswing.

If you are a Keynesian. And since when has our government "conserved" in an upswing?

[volinbham]

Originally Posted by Unimane

That's the biggest bunch of BS and spewed constantly by the right. Basically, if you don't conform to the version of America conjured by the right, you are "hating America". And, the right has been so virulently irrational in their hatred of Obama that the concept that supporting Obama means you hate America and that he wants to fundamentally change America is beyond ridiculous, although par for the course for the hysteria plaguing the right today.

Wait a minute - you criticize the hyperbole of the right by using the hyperbole of the left. Awesome, well done.

[Unimane]

Originally Posted by volinbham

If you are a Keynesian. And since when has our government "conserved" in an upswing?

Never.....but they should. Too many special interests groups to cater and, of course, maintaining a military that is larger than the next ten militaries combined is absolutely vital to our survival.

[Unimane]

Originally Posted by volinbham

Wait a minute - you criticize the hyperbole of the right by using the hyperbole of the left. Awesome, well done.

Really? So, he didn't just say liberals hate America? And, yes, accusations of hating America are quite prevalent in conservative rallies whereas I have yet to see a flag burning or "America is the great Satan"-type speech at one of the liberal events I have attended.

[volinbham]

I still contend your "basic economic sense" comment is not basic economic sense unless you are a Keynesian. It's also too simple of a prescription which doesn't account for the reasons for a particular business cycle.

[NYYVol]

Originally Posted by Unimane

Never.....but they should. Too many special interests groups to cater and, of course, maintaining a military that is larger than the next ten militaries combined is absolutely vital to our survival.

Thankfully, you've never served this country.
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