Steve McNair found, shot to death

[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by KB5252

I am in no way, shape or form painting McNair as innocent. He is guilty of having an extramarital affair(s) no more or less. It became apparent to this woman that things were not going to go where she wanted them to with McNair. Between that and her other financial problems (of which McNair wasn't going to help her with,like the note on her vehicle he co-signed for) she decided she didn't want to go on. That is not something a person does if they think the relationship is going somewhere. The murder of McNair was an act of desperation by this woman. Her problems were the reason he was murdered. His only fault in this regard was that he involved himself with her.

But involving himself was why the problem exists. He put the $$$ signs in her head. If he had pushed her away the whole time, your story would have merit. He took the relationship too deep and we really don't know if he was even trying to get out of it.
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[peaygolf89]

radio personality in nashville said mcnair was a "functional alcoholic".

For what its worth.....

I still reguard him as a good person who made some really poor decisions. We all have...we just have not died because of them.

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

But involving himself was why the problem exists. He put the $$$ signs in her head. If he had pushed her away the whole time, your story would have merit. He took the relationship too deep and we really don't know if he was even trying to get out of it.
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This is a lot of speculation on your part as well. From the evidence that has been made public all indications are she wanted this relationship to go much further than McNair. The police seem to think that McNair was upset at her for something, probably the DUI situation and her actions after. They seem to believe that he was backing off from her and this is why she followed the woman she thought was seeing McNair as well.

I think the opinion that McNair was a functioning alcoholic is pretty fair, I have seen him at a couple of places, always with a drink in hand. He was known to frequent and drink at many clubs and bars around town.

[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by KB5252

This is a lot of speculation on your part as well. From the evidence that has been made public all indications are she wanted this relationship to go much further than McNair. The police seem to think that McNair was upset at her for something, probably the DUI situation and her actions after. They seem to believe that he was backing off from her and this is why she followed the woman she thought was seeing McNair as well.

I think the opinion that McNair was a functioning alcoholic is pretty fair, I have seen him at a couple of places, always with a drink in hand. He was known to frequent and drink at many clubs and bars around town.

The fact that he cosigned an escalade for her proves he took it too far. It's not just speculation.
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[orangetanker11]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

The fact that he cosigned an escalade for her proves he took it too far. It's not just speculation.
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So his death is all his fault?

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

The fact that he cosigned an escalade for her proves he took it too far. It's not just speculation.
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We are arguing in circles and I think I know why now.

I think McNair is in part responsible for the actions that led up to his death. He got with an immature young woman who left a boyfriend to be with him. McNair should have known this was not a wise decision and taking her on trips and cosigning so she could get a nice car only added to the problem. I am not trying to minimize his actions.

He may have made himself vulnerable to this woman's irrational behavior but the actual act of murder and suicide falls directly on her shoulders. He did not make her pull the trigger, she could have walked away at any time.

What you were doing was pointing out to another poster that McNair was not guiltless here, and I agree. McNair was a willing participant in a relationship with what should have been obvious to him as an unhealthy relationship for both parties. As a result of his actions and her instability they were both killed. This sound fair enough to you?

[KB5252]

Originally Posted by orangetanker11

So his death is all his fault?

That isn't what he is saying at all. Regardless of the intricate details (of which we will never know all) McNair put himself in that position. Therefore he part of the blame.

[orangetanker11]

Originally Posted by KB5252

That isn't what he is saying at all. Regardless of the intricate details (of which we will never know all) McNair put himself in that position. Therefore he part of the blame.

I wouldn't say that the position alone was what led to his death, but rather the crazy broad he was in the position with.

[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by orangetanker11

I wouldn't say that the position alone was what led to his death, but rather the crazy broad he was in the position with.

He's the one that led her on and put those crazy thoughts in her head. Have you ever been to a game and witnessed the "cleat chasers"? There are millions of women after what she was able to at least temporarily get. I see it every night and I work in just about the lowest level of baseball possible.
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[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by KB5252

We are arguing in circles and I think I know why now.

I think McNair is in part responsible for the actions that led up to his death. He got with an immature young woman who left a boyfriend to be with him. McNair should have known this was not a wise decision and taking her on trips and cosigning so she could get a nice car only added to the problem. I am not trying to minimize his actions.

He may have made himself vulnerable to this woman's irrational behavior but the actual act of murder and suicide falls directly on her shoulders. He did not make her pull the trigger, she could have walked away at any time.

What you were doing was pointing out to another poster that McNair was not guiltless here, and I agree. McNair was a willing participant in a relationship with what should have been obvious to him as an unhealthy relationship for both parties. As a result of his actions and her instability they were both killed. This sound fair enough to you?

Ding ding ding. Too many are treating McNair as an innocent victim. He clearly isn't. The girl had no reason to do what she did, but McNair was foolish for letting things snowball.
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[orangetanker11]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

He's the one that led her on and put those crazy thoughts in her head. Have you ever been to a game and witnessed the "cleat chasers"? There are millions of women after what she was able to at least temporarily get. I see it every night and I work in just about the lowest level of baseball possible.
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Did those millions of women pull the trigger on anyone? No. That is my point. He shouldn't have cheated, plain and simple. Co-signing for her on a vehicle and spending money on her may have misled her, but her being crazy and unstable caused her to pull the trigger. Just my opinion.

[hmanvolfan]

Originally Posted by KB5252

This is a lot of speculation on your part as well. From the evidence that has been made public all indications are she wanted this relationship to go much further than McNair. The police seem to think that McNair was upset at her for something, probably the DUI situation and her actions after. They seem to believe that he was backing off from her and this is why she followed the woman she thought was seeing McNair as well.

I think the opinion that McNair was a functioning alcoholic is pretty fair, I have seen him at a couple of places, always with a drink in hand. He was known to frequent and drink at many clubs and bars around town.

He obviously didn't back off far enough. Otherwise he would still be alive today.

[thagodfather]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

He's the one that led her on and put those crazy thoughts in her head. Have you ever been to a game and witnessed the "cleat chasers"? There are millions of women after what she was able to at least temporarily get. I see it every night and I work in just about the lowest level of baseball possible.
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i rode bulls professionally in the mid '90s. girls such as these cleat chasers would wait for bullriders and others participating after the rodeo. sometimes they would even follow the guys to bars. i'm not really complaining about them, however.

[vol_in_il]

Originally Posted by thagodfather

i rode bulls professionally in the mid '90s. girls such as these cleat chasers would wait for bullriders and others participating after the rodeo. sometimes they would even follow the guys to bars. i'm not really complaining about them, however.

bet you gave em hell for 8 seconds

[orangetanker11]

Originally Posted by hmanvolfan

He obviously didn't back off far enough. Otherwise he would still be alive today.

Pure speculation.