The Brett Favre saga

[volinbham]

Hard to side with BF in this one. Not that it matters but I've certainly lost some respect for him.

[BigPapaVol]

Originally Posted by IPorange

Vol423, you are so spot on with this story. I really feel bad for Rodgers, as he has handled all this with a lot more class than I would have.

Bottom line is that he knows, McCarthy knows and the GB fans know that Favre gives them the best chance to win. Favre has been a prima donna, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Packers' org. has been a bunch of arses about the whole ordeal.

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by Vol423

You’re naive. If Brett Favre cared about the Packers organization, then he would want to make sure that the organization is set up for success once he left and, therefore, he would want to tell them of his annual retirement decision prior to the draft. FAVRE DOESN’T CARE ABOUT ANYONE OTHER THAN HIMSELF. That is the problem. He doesn’t give a damn about the Packers. If he did, he would have tutored Aaron Rodgers for the last three years to help him develop his skills. Instead, Favre ignored Rodgers. Favre also would have let the team know whether he was retiring or not prior to the draft each year. He never did.

The Packers should just release him and let him play wherever he wants? Sorry, that’s not the way the real world works. The Packers have the rights to Favre, and they can do whatever they want. Lord knows, Favre certainly has for the last four years. Also, if Favre didn’t want the Packers to have his rights, then he shouldn’t have signed that big, fat, long-term contract with the Packers. Why did he? Money - the one thing to which Favre does show loyalty.

Bold point 1 - It's the Packers problem to scout rookies and draft the right people, not Favre's

Bold point 2 - How long have the Packers, or any other team, gave a damn about a player that couldn't help them? It's OK for teams to use players but heaven forbid it go the other way? The Titans sure did that for Steve McNair, huh?

Bold point 3 - It's not Brett Favre's problem nor is it his responsibility to make sure Aaron Rodgers can play QB, besides, how do you know he didn't give him pointers here and there and what are coaches for?

Bold Point 4 - Te Packers didn't have a problem drafting Rodgers while Favre was still there, why does he owe them the right to know when he's retiring? Maybe, (obviously) he wasn't ready to retire, why should he announce it if he's not ready?

Bold point 5 - And......Favre also has the right to come back, has the right to retire when he wants and if they don't want to release him than don't bitch about the news coverage

Bold point 6 - If NFL contracts were worth the paper they're written on than why do so many guys get cut, that have a contract? Again, you don't have a problem with every team doing what they want, cutting players when they want but when they get a taste of their own medicine by a player you want to whine about the player's lack of loyalty. Show me your previous post(s) bitching about teams lack of loyalty.

You must be naive if you think the NFL world works as you say.

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

Bottom line is that he knows, McCarthy knows and the GB fans know that Favre gives them the best chance to win. Favre has been a prima donna, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Packers' org. has been a bunch of arses about the whole ordeal.

Exactly, Favre gives them the best chance to win. They don't owe Aaron Rodgers a damn thing. What has he done? He played well in one preseason game a year ago against the Titans and now the Packers owe something to Rodgers?

[Vol423]

Originally Posted by 615 Vol

Bold point 1 - It's the Packers problem to scout rookies and draft the right people, not Favre's

Bold point 2 - How long have the Packers, or any other team, gave a damn about a player that couldn't help them? It's OK for teams to use players but heaven forbid it go the other way? The Titans sure did that for Steve McNair, huh?

Bold point 3 - It's not Brett Favre's problem nor is it his responsibility to make sure Aaron Rodgers can play QB, besides, how do you know he didn't give him pointers here and there and what are coaches for?

Bold Point 4 - Te Packers didn't have a problem drafting Rodgers while Favre was still there, why does he owe them the right to know when he's retiring? Maybe, (obviously) he wasn't ready to retire, why should he announce it if he's not ready?

Bold point 5 - And......Favre also has the right to come back, has the right to retire when he wants and if they don't want to release him than don't bitch about the news coverage

Bold point 6 - If NFL contracts were worth the paper they're written on than why do so many guys get cut, that have a contract? Again, you don't have a problem with every team doing what they want, cutting players when they want but when they get a taste of their own medicine by a player you want to whine about the player's lack of loyalty. Show me your previous post(s) bitching about teams lack of loyalty.

You must be naive if you think the NFL world works as you say.

Once again, Brett Favre was MORE THAN FAIRLY compensated for every single second that he ever played for the Packers. If he hadn't been such an ass for the past four years, he probably would have been welcomed back into the fold. Karma's a bitch, and Brett Favre has created a ton of negative karma of late.

[Vol423]

Originally Posted by 615 Vol

Exactly, Favre gives them the best chance to win. They don't owe Aaron Rodgers a damn thing. What has he done? He played well in one preseason game a year ago against the Titans and now the Packers owe something to Rodgers?

You don't seem to get it. The Packers don't owe Favre anything, and they don't owe Rogers anything either. Both of them are more than fairly compensated. The Packers are free to do whatever they want to do, and they've chosen to move on without Favre. Why? Probably because Favre wasn't just content being the team's QB. He also felt that he should be able to decide who to hire as head coach and who to acquire as players for the team. Then when he didn't get his way, he through a tantrum just like the two year old that he is and retired.

You're going to just love this.
Favre to blame for nasty divorce - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

"Favre, meanwhile, couldn’t overcome the negativity that apparently has been swirling inside his mind for quite some time. In that lengthy vent session last month to Greta Van Susteren of Fox News, Favre complained that he couldn’t trust Thompson because, among other things, the GM had ignored his pleadings to acquire Randy Moss and hired McCarthy over Steve Mariucci, the one-time Packers assistant and former 49ers and Lions coach with whom the quarterback is extremely close.

Think about that: Favre was affronted because the Pack’s general manager wouldn’t follow his quarterback’s decree about whom to hire as head coach.

The Packers hired former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer as a PR consultant, but in truth, Favre is the one more in need of such image management.

Consider that Favre, in another interview, said he only wanted to play for another NFC North team – in order to play the Packers twice a season. Now that’s loyalty."

[doozer]

i'd like to see 615 get hooked up with an NFL team i hate, as a GM, so he can run them into the ground.

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by Vol423

Once again, Brett Favre was MORE THAN FAIRLY compensated for every single second that he ever played for the Packers. If he hadn't been such an ass for the past four years, he probably would have been welcomed back into the fold. Karma's a bitch, and Brett Favre has created a ton of negative karma of late.

I'm sorry, can you please show me where I said he wasn't compensated for past play? We weren't discussing that at all, what are you talking about? If being an ass is what keeps players off the field than why does A-Rod continue to play for the Yankees, again, I wasn't even talking about Favre's personality, I don't care. I was talking about the whole ordeal of Favre coming back, getting traded or released, you know, all the stuff on the news right now.

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by doozer

i'd like to see 615 get hooked up with an NFL team i hate, as a GM, so he can run them into the ground.

Yep, like putting the best possible QB on the field instead of making promises to some guy that's done nothing more than play well in a preseason game a year ago. Can you honestly tell me you think Aaron Rodgers will make the Packers better than the guy that was one game away from taking them to the Super Bowl last year? Sounds like you and 423 would be the candidate for running teams into the ground.

[Vol423]

Originally Posted by 615 Vol

I'm sorry, can you please show me where I said he wasn't compensated for past play? We weren't discussing that at all, what are you talking about? If being an ass is what keeps players off the field than why does A-Rod continue to play for the Yankees, again, I wasn't even talking about Favre's personality, I don't care. I was talking about the whole ordeal of Favre coming back, getting traded or released, you know, all the stuff on the news right now.

No. You were talking about how the Packers "owe" Favre this, and they "owe" Favre that. Let's see, here was your exact quote:

"It might suck for the Packers but Brett Favre has done a lot for that organization and has earned the right to play as long as he wants to regardless of what team. If the Pack wanted to end this they could release him and be done with it but their own greed is in the way. They don't want the Vikings to have him, they want a draft pick. Favre has done enough for Green Bay that they could show their respect for him by giving him a release or trading him promptly in which they did not do."

THEY DON'T OWE BRETT FAVRE JACK. If I were the Packer's GM, if it weren't for the fact that it would cost me about $12.5 million per year, I might just have Brett Favre ride the pine the whole year at this point.

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by Vol423

No. You were talking (repeatedly I might add) about how the Packers "OWE" Favre this, and they "OWE" Favre that. THEY DON'T OWE BRETT FAVRE JACK.

Oh really genius, please show me where I said anything about Favre's compensation? Go ahead, quote it and put it in bold, prove me wrong. Show how I did this repeatedly as you say.

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by Vol423

No. You were talking (repeatedly I might add) about how the Packers "owe" Favre this, and they "owe" Favre that. Let's see, here was your exact quote:

"It might suck for the Packers but Brett Favre has done a lot for that organization and has earned the right to play as long as he wants to regardless of what team. If the Pack wanted to end this they could release him and be done with it but their own greed is in the way. They don't want the Vikings to have him, they want a draft pick. Favre has done enough for Green Bay that they could show their respect for him by giving him a release or trading him promptly in which they did not do."

THEY DON'T OWE BRETT FAVRE JACK SHIT. If I were the Packer's GM, if it weren't for the fact that it would cost me about $12.5 million per year, I might just have Brett Favre ride the pine the whole year at this point.

I guess you conveniently skipped that part, meaning if they want Rodgers, that's fine, let another team have his services. The Packers trying to keep him retired caused this whole circus.

[Vol423]

Originally Posted by 615 Vol

I guess you conveniently skipped that part, meaning if they want Rodgers, that's fine, let another team have his services. The Packers trying to keep him retired caused this whole circus.

What part do you not get about the fact that the Packers OWN THE RIGHTS TO BRETT FAVRE? He received a nice, big, fat signing bonus when he signed his name on the long term contract that still has three years remaining on it. They don't owe him a trade, and they most certainly don't owe him an outright release. The Packers paid for the right to control Brett Favre's location in the NFL for the next three years. If he doesn't like it, he can take his sorry ass back to Mississippi.

[Vol423]

Originally Posted by 615 Vol

I guess you conveniently skipped that part, meaning if they want Rodgers, that's fine, let another team have his services. The Packers trying to keep him retired caused this whole circus.

No. Brett Favre's inability to make up his damn mind created this whole circus. Let's get the facts straight.

[615 Vol]

Originally Posted by Vol423

What part do you not get about the fact that the Packers OWN THE RIGHTS TO BRETT FAVRE? He received a nice, big, fat signing bonus when he signed his name on the long term contract that still has three years remaining on it. They don't owe him a trade, and the most certainly don't owe him an outright release.

You're right, they can let him sit on the sideline and hold a clipboard. My point is that if they did do that than they are stupid because the better QB would be on the sideline. They don't owe him a release but by not granting one then don't get mad when this media circus won't go away. The Packers decided to keep him then deal with ESPN in your face 24 hours a day, that's the Packers fault not Favre's which is the original argument of who is causing the problems here. Favre can still play and if GB doesn't want him than why try and buy him off or make this so difficult, trade the guy, put him on the roster or release him. As far as the signing bonus and contract you keep bringing up, why, it has nothing to do with my point. I don't expect Favre to get that if he doesn't play for the Packers, never said I did.