Goodell,NFL look gulity in spygate deboggle

Against Censorship · 05-14-2008, 12:44 PM

At least thats how i feel about.There seems to be a rush by certain outlets like NFL Network big surprise there right folks? And a few at espn like mike greenburg, pal sal sorry don't know his fullname but he's an NFL reporter on their Network(espn) In my opinion after watching yesterday's tapes its clear to me that Goodell destroyed the real proof back in september. Maybe i'm nuts about this whole thing but it doesn't pass the smell test. I mean why did it take the NFL 3months to hammer out and agreement to get walsh to talk? Because the tapes that the NFL released showed very little? And does anybody believe belichick's answer that he never used the said tapes during the same game like the 2001 afc championship game against my beloved steelers i say hell no!!!! I think this deals a serious blow to the NFL's credibility.

**milohimself** · 05-14-2008, 03:18 PM

A different tune than I had been singing on this issue, but my thoughts...

- There was more cheating going on than we knew about.
- Roger Goodell, for whatever reason, has an agenda to protect the image of the Patriots to some degree.
- This situation does not tarnish the legacy of the Patriots.

doozer · 05-14-2008, 03:25 PM

i don't think there's anymore to it than what we now know. if there was, Congress would be all over like a fat kid on cake. even Goodell has to answer to somebody.

there was more cheating that what we know about because the Patroits weren't the only only team doing it. they just happened to be:

1. a high profile team
2. caught.

doozer · 05-14-2008, 03:26 PM

by the way, it's debacle.

KB5252 · 05-14-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by doozer

i don't think there's anymore to it than what we now know. if there was, Congress would be all over like a fat kid on cake. even Goodell has to answer to somebody.

there was more cheating that what we know about because the Patroits weren't the only only team doing it. they just happened to be:

1. a high profile team
2. caught.

They weren't the only team to do it until the NFL sent out a memo that it was not going to be allowed. The Patriots just figured they would claim ignorance if they got caught, which they did on both counts.

Business · 05-14-2008, 03:28 PM

I'm with you on Goodell wanting to protect the Patriots for some reason.

He storms into the league like a bat out of hell with suspensions, changing the logo, putting those capatain badges on players, etc. I know the two latter has nothing to do with this but it just shows how proactive he's been in his time as Commish.

Now he destroys tapes and takes all that time to put this to bed? I just don't get it.

I share the opinion of a caller on FSR yesterday in that the whole Patriots draft this year (including the San Fran pick) should have been scratched. He wants to put people in the dirt for making it rain, DUI's, drug charges, and such but when some one in the league cheats he throws out fines which won't put a dent in Bob Kraft's check book, just don't smell right.

PS: The whole "The Pats didn't look at the tapes during halftime" might be the biggest crock of %^$# I've ever heard.

doozer · 05-14-2008, 03:29 PM

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The Patriots just figured they would claim ignorance if they got caught, which they did on both counts.

exactly what any other team would have done as well.

doozer · 05-14-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Business

I'm with you on Goodell wanting to protect the Patriots for some reason.

He storms into the league like a bat out of hell with suspensions, changing the logo, putting those capatain badges on players, etc. I know the two latter has nothing to do with this but it just shows how proactive he's been in his time as Commish.

Now he destroys tapes and takes all that time to put this to bed? I just don't get it.

I share the opinion of a caller on FSR yesterday in that the whole Patriots draft this year (including the San Fran pick) should have been scratched. He wants to put people in the dirt for making it rain, DUI's, drug charges, and such but when some one in the league cheats he throws out fines which won't put a dent in Bob Kraft's check book, just don't smell right.

the punishment has to fit the crime. what did you want him to do? fine the Pats 1 billion dollars for stealing some signals?

you played baseball. you know this happens all the time.

KB5252 · 05-14-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by doozer

exactly what any other team would have done as well.

The only difference is those "other" teams took the league at face value and stopped the practice when they were told it wasn't allowed.

doozer · 05-14-2008, 03:33 PM

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The only difference is those "other" teams took the league at face value and stopped the practice when they were told it wasn't allowed.

how do you know?

KB5252 · 05-14-2008, 03:36 PM

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how do you know?

Had there been anyone else doing it we would have investigations into those as well. After this story broke many in NFL circles said it was the practice of some teams to do this. By all accounts they stopped when told it would be an infraction.

doozer · 05-14-2008, 03:41 PM

nobody else got caught.

just because something becomes illegal doesn't mean people stop doing it. it just means they're not getting caught.

**kptvol** · 05-14-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Business

I'm with you on Goodell wanting to protect the Patriots for some reason.

He storms into the league like a bat out of hell with suspensions, changing the logo, putting those capatain badges on players, etc. I know the two latter has nothing to do with this but it just shows how proactive he's been in his time as Commish.

Now he destroys tapes and takes all that time to put this to bed? I just don't get it.

I share the opinion of a caller on FSR yesterday in that the whole Patriots draft this year (including the San Fran pick) should have been scratched. He wants to put people in the dirt for making it rain, DUI's, drug charges, and such but when some one in the league cheats he throws out fines which won't put a dent in Bob Kraft's check book, just don't smell right.

PS: The whole "The Pats didn't look at the tapes during halftime" might be the biggest crock of %^$# I've ever heard.

Agreed. I'll add that Goodell made it sound like the only advantage the Pats got out of this was against their divisional foes. That's because they reviewed tapes between games and then had an edge in round 2. However, I'm pretty damn sure they did the same thing to the Colts. The difference being that the second time the Pats met the Colts it was in the playoffs, twice with a Super Bowl trip on the line.

Additionally, there's no way it was just happening with the rivals. They showed footage of several teams that weren't in the Pats division. I think I may have even seen one team from the NFC.

Also, the way Goodell is acting like they've pretty much proven a Rams Super Bowl walkthrough videotape doesn't exist is fishy. First of all, I was under the impression that Walsh wasn't the only videographer for the Pats. Second, they have videotapes that predate that Super Bowl, so if the Pats were cheating in the regular season, why would they quit doing it in the most important game of them all?

Goodell destroying the first batch of tapes, obviously, is shady as hell.

**kptvol** · 05-14-2008, 03:46 PM

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nobody else got caught.

just because something becomes illegal doesn't mean people stop doing it. it just means they're not getting caught.

Plenty of UT students plagiarize essays. That doesn't mean if you get caught your ass isn't getting expelled. I'm sure some other teams were bending the rules. Congrats on not getting caught. The Pats need a tougher punishment in my opinion. Goodell made an example out of Pac-Man and Chris Henry. Why is he letting a team that potentially scandalized the last 7 years of NFL football get off so easy?

doozer · 05-14-2008, 03:48 PM

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Plenty of UT students plagiarize essays. That doesn't mean if you get caught your ass isn't getting expelled. I'm sure some other teams were bending the rules. Congrats on not getting caught. The Pats need a tougher punishment in my opinion.

never said it didn't.

all i'm saying is that you just can't assume that because somebody says they aren't cheating that they in fact aren't cheating.