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Well... that's not a good way to start the season. I'm sure he'll play his hardest but it's almost as if he is already admitting defeat. Could be a long season if Kobe is throwing in the towel before it even begins

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Originally Posted by The_Orange_Pearl

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Well... that's not a good way to start the season. I'm sure he'll play his hardest but it's almost as if he is already admitting defeat. Could be a long season if Kobe is throwing in the towel before it even begins

Kobe knows how important Lamar is. He's a very underrated player. They don't win their last 2 without him.

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McRoberts May Sign With Lakers - RealGM Wiretap

Josh McRoberts is being pursued by the Grizzlies, but appears more likely to take more money and a bigger role with the Lakers.

McRoberts has been mentioned in trade rumors with Memphis involving O.J. Mayo. The Grizzlies told Mayo on Tuesday that he will not be dealt.

Looks like some of the Memphis fans will be happy. I still hope the Pacers re-sign him and keep if they can't trade him. The Lakers could definitely use him though given their current lack of big men.

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Originally Posted by The_Orange_Pearl

McRoberts May Sign With Lakers - RealGM Wiretap




Looks like some of the Memphis fans will be happy. I still hope the Pacers re-sign him and keep if they can't trade him. The Lakers could definitely use him though given their current lack of big men.

McRoberts put up 12 and 9 per 36 minutes* 2 years in a row and shoots a very high %. Pacers let him rot on the bench. I'd like to see what he can do with more burn.

* Odom = 16 and 10 in 2011

[TennesseeFan07]

McRoberts is a poor man's Lamar Odom. He's an awkward, versatile, lefty that has rare features for his size. That said, I hope the Lakers keep that money and go after a proven player.

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan07

McRoberts is a poor man's Lamar Odom. He's an awkward, versatile, lefty that has rare features for his size. That said, I hope the Lakers keep that money and go after a proven player.

How much would it cost to get McRoberts if he doesn't even play much for a crappy team? He is a poor man's Odom, but he's young, and you can probably lock him for cheap for the next 5 years.

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Originally Posted by nbakerld

How much would it cost to get McRoberts if he doesn't even play much for a crappy team? He is a poor man's Odom, but he's young, and you can probably lock him for cheap for the next 5 years.

Crappy team? They led the Bulls like 90% of the series. Bulls were down just about the entire game throughout the whole series only to be bailed out by the refs at the end of the game. Pacers basically outplayed them but they didn't get the phantom foul Derrick Rose treatment.

Originally Posted by nbakerld

McRoberts put up 12 and 9 per 36 minutes* 2 years in a row and shoots a very high %. Pacers let him rot on the bench. I'd like to see what he can do with more burn.

* Odom = 16 and 10 in 2011

Tyler Hansbrough was better than McRoberts when he was fully healthy. He missed a lot of time because of an inner ear infection.

Plus, that statistic is worthless in my book. Just because he was on pace to do that over the course of 36 minutes doesn't mean he would have. Case Keenum was well on pace to break the passer rating record after like 10 games. 3 games later and he was well below it. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. What your stats don't show is that he is a major liability on defense. I like him and would gladly have re-signed him but there is a reason why he wasn't playing 36 minutes per game. He's a higher energy guy that will give you a boost off the bench. If he's playing 36 minutes, a number of starting power forwards around the league are going to light him up for 25 a game.

[TennesseeFan07]

Off topic, but the McRoberts trade will take away any shot for the Pacers to get OJ Mayo? Are you upset, Orange Pearl?

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Originally Posted by The_Orange_Pearl

Crappy team? They led the Bulls like 90% of the series. Bulls were down just about the entire game throughout the whole series only to be bailed out by the refs at the end of the game. Pacers basically outplayed them but they didn't get the phantom foul Derrick Rose treatment.

Plus, that statistic is worthless in my book. Just because he was on pace to do that over the course of 36 minutes doesn't mean he would have. Case Keenum was well on pace to break the passer rating record after like 10 games. 3 games later and he was well below it. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. What your stats don't show is that he is a major liability on defense. I like him and would gladly have re-signed him but there is a reason why he wasn't playing 36 minutes per game. He's a higher energy guy that will give you a boost off the bench. If he's playing 36 minutes, a number of starting power forwards around the league are going to light him up for 25 a game.

Sorry, not crappy, but they finished in the bottom half of the league.

The Case Keenum example is irrelevant in comparison with hoops. If they increase his minutes, his stats will likely hold true. The cases in which increasing minutes decreases the rate of productivity are reserved to outliers like Shaq (he can't physically play more than 15 good minutes).

In 2010 McRoberts averaged (per 36) 12.3 pp, 8.7 rp, 3.0 ap, 1.2 sp, 1.1 bp, but he only averaged 12.5 mpg.

In 2011 McRoberts averaged (per 36) 12.0 pp, 8.6 rp, 3.4 ap, 1.1 sp, 1.3 bp, but he averaged 22.2 mpg.

So he nearly doubled his minutes and his average per 36 held true.

[TennesseeFan07]

It's been a good two day stretch for Los Angeles.

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My Utah Jazz may actually have a chance tonight considering the Lakers are probably worn out.

[TennesseeFan07]

The one positive addition for this season has been Metta World Peace's ability to actually create his own offense.

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Nobody seems to believe me when I say Kobe is overrated and Bynum/Gasol are underrated...

Kobe's stat line: 26 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 1 spg, 4 topg, .417 FG%, .212 3P%, .503 TS% (league average is .530). That's pretty damn awful and they are 4-3 despite him.

[TennesseeFan07]

Kobe is carrying the entire team this season. Of course his stats are going to be down. Bynum has been out, Odom was traded and the bench has been a joke. I like Gasol, but it's obvious the trade talk has messed him up. Meanwhile, Bynum is doing exactly what I thought he would, but any second he's going to hurt his knee. It's too bad the Rockets and Lakers couldn't have just completed a Gasol for Scola, Landry and 1st round pick trade. That would have made the Lakers the best team in the Western Conference.

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan07

Kobe is carrying the entire team this season. Of course his stats are going to be down. Bynum has been out, Odom was traded and the bench has been a joke. I like Gasol, but it's obvious the trade talk has messed him up. Meanwhile, Bynum is doing exactly what I thought he would, but any second he's going to hurt his knee. It's too bad the Rockets and Lakers couldn't have just completed a Gasol for Scola, Landry and 1st round pick trade. That would have made the Lakers the best team in the Western Conference.

FWIW the Lakers not named Kobe are averaging:

69 ppg, 39 rpg, 15 apg, 5 spg, 5 bpg, 10 topg, and shooting 47% (Kobe's shoting 43%).

To better put this in perspective, Kobe (per 36) is averaging:

27 pp, 6.7 rpg, 5.8 apg, 1 spg, .4 bpg, and 4.4 topg.

Per 36 his teammates are averaging:

12 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 2.7 apg, .8 spg, 1 bpg, 1.7 topg.

When the other 4 guys on the court are putting up those kinds of numbers, and they are shooting above league average, it's safe to say nobody is carrying them. They're not a great team without Kobe, but it's a supporting cast that no star should complain about.

The turnover stat is very underrated, and collectively the Lakers protect the ball. Kobe has been really sloppy with it, but I expect that to improve (though I consider him a very overrated ball handler....he's never averaged a 2:1 ratio).