Kobe is 37% from the floor - Page 2

BigPapaVol · 06-17-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Fine Vol

Thats cause of the DADDY the DIESEL!!!

except that he couldn't touch the ball in the 4th quarter, due to his...ahem...lackluster FT shooting.

KB5252 · 06-17-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

that's 40% and he has played 2 much tougher defensive teams than Jordan ever played in a finals. I'm not saying he's better than Jordan, but the differences aren't very big, as you suggest.

That was me who said there was a significant drop off. You may be correct in that there is better def played in todays game. Bottom line is with the game on the line and one final shot left to win the game who would you rather have taking it Jordan or Kobe? Jordan and its not even close.

KB5252 · 06-17-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

except that he couldn't touch the ball in the 4th quarter, due to his...ahem...lackluster FT shooting.

BigPapaVol · 06-17-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KB5252

That was me who said there was a significant drop off. You may be correct in that there is better def played in todays game. Bottom line is with the game on the line and one final shot left to win the game who would you rather have taking it Jordan or Kobe? Jordan and its not even close.

I'd rather have Jordan, but it's much closer for me than you suggest. I'd probably prefer Bird or Magic over either of them.

kev20 · 06-17-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KB5252

That was me who said there was a significant drop off. You may be correct in that there is better def played in todays game. Bottom line is with the game on the line and one final shot left to win the game who would you rather have taking it Jordan or Kobe? Jordan and its not even close.

Sure, as long as they don't call the offensive foul.

kev20 · 06-17-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

I'd rather have Jordan, but it's much closer for me than you suggest. I'd probably prefer Bird or Magic over either of them.

I'll take "Big Shot" Bob.

Rasputin_Vol · 06-18-2008, 05:31 AM

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Rasputin_Vol · 06-18-2008, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

that's 40% and he has played 2 much tougher defensive teams than Jordan ever played in a finals. I'm not saying he's better than Jordan, but the differences aren't very big, as you suggest.

Kobe is a consistant 40-45% shooter up to this stage of his career. By age 29 for Jordan, he had won his 3peat and was constistently shooting over 50% from the field.

BigPapaVol · 06-18-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

Kobe is a consistant 40-45% shooter up to this stage of his career. By age 29 for Jordan, he had won his 3peat and was constistently shooting over 50% from the field.

he did not stay above 50% and you should check the shooting relative to the league as a whole, rather than in a vacuum. Jordan's high % years, there were hordes in the same range.

Rasputin_Vol · 06-19-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

he did not stay above 50% and you should check the shooting relative to the league as a whole, rather than in a vacuum. Jordan's high % years, there were hordes in the same range.

I clearly stated when he was 29 years old (same age as Kobe), it was routinely above 50%. His career shooting average didn't drop below 50% until he started playing with the Wizards (49.7%)

MG1968 · 06-20-2008, 08:00 AM

Kobe will never be as good as Jordan, at least in terms of championships. Mike was able to make the players around him better, I don't see Kobe having that same kind of magic.

BigPapaVol · 06-20-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

I clearly stated when he was 29 years old (same age as Kobe), it was routinely above 50%. His career shooting average didn't drop beloe 50% until he started playing with the Wizards (49.7%)

the league as a whole shot much higher percentages at that point.

Rasputin_Vol · 06-20-2008, 04:12 PM

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the league as a whole shot much higher percentages at that point.

Which is essentially my point. Jordan was able to keep his shooting percentage fairly high because he didn't rely on the 3 pt shot as much as Kobe (or the rest of the shooters of Kobe's generation). Plus, the 10-15 ft jumper is almost exstinct. Kobe takes low percentage shots from behins the arc with a hand in his face or 2 guys flying at him...

BigPapaVol · 06-20-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin_Vol

Which is essentially my point. Jordan was able to keep his shooting percentage fairly high because he didn't rely on the 3 pt shot as much as Kobe (or the rest of the shooters of Kobe's generation). Plus, the 10-15 ft jumper is almost exstinct. Kobe takes low percentage shots from behins the arc with a hand in his face or 2 guys flying at him...

that's not it at all. it's that the defenses are now dramatically better since most coaches are now defense oriented and the officiating enforcement is different. The game is incredibly more physical today.

Again, check out the shooting stats of the entire league or the best players in the league and watch them move in unison.

Rasputin_Vol · 06-21-2008, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

that's not it at all. it's that the defenses are now dramatically better since most coaches are now defense oriented and the officiating enforcement is different. The game is incredibly more physical today.

Again, check out the shooting stats of the entire league or the best players in the league and watch them move in unison.

Even if you believe that the defenses are better during this era (I believe it has just as much to do with poor shot selection), that is still no excuse for Kobe to be shooting 40% or lower during two consecutive NBA Finals.