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Old 12-20-2012, 01:29 PM   #226 (permalink)
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Career scoring leaders in terms of points over par. Top 10"

Kareem
K Malone
Dantley
R Miller
Barkley
Shaq
Jordan
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Revisiting the NBA’s All-Time Scorers
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:35 PM   #227 (permalink)
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Career scoring leaders in terms of points over par. Top 10"

Kareem
K Malone
Dantley
R Miller
Barkley
Shaq
Jordan
Stockton
Gilmore
Nowitzki

Revisiting the NBA’s All-Time Scorers
I like their stuff on current players but they have to stop with their all time stuff. It's awful.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:57 PM   #228 (permalink)
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I like their stuff on current players but they have to stop with their all time stuff. It's awful.
How do you mean?
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How do you mean?
Trying to imply that Adrian Dantley is one of the top five scorers in NBA history is, quite frankly, a joke.
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Or, for example, how he thought Charles Barkely was a top 10 player.
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I don't understand why anybody wouldn't consider Barkley a top 10 player, let alone consider that a joke. Pretty much anybody would agree that scoring and rebounding are the 2 most important things in basketball, and he did those both as well as just about anyone. He had all the talent in the world. 28 and 12 in '88!!

You know who has done 28 and 12 post merger? I only know of Shaq and Moses Malone. Barkley shot a hell of a lot more efficiently than both of them. Barkley was as dominant as it gets on the individual level, but he doesn't have height, and he doesn't have rings, therefore he's not in most top 10 lists.
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I don't understand why anybody wouldn't consider Barkley a top 10 player, let alone consider that a joke. Pretty much anybody would agree that scoring and rebounding are the 2 most important things in basketball, and he did those both as well as just about anyone. He had all the talent in the world. 28 and 12 in '88!!

You know who has done 28 and 12 post merger? I only know of Shaq and Moses Malone. Barkley shot a hell of a lot more efficiently than both of them. Barkley was as dominant as it gets on the individual level, but he doesn't have height, and he doesn't have rings, therefore he's not in most top 10 lists.
I don't care about either of those things (the rings and height, I mean).

I care about the defense, which was awful and atrocious, especially when he went to Phoenix.

Barkley easily is a top 10 offensive player of all time (although he took 2,000 3's for his career and was a 26.6% shooter from outside, which is inconceivable), but his defense was awful. If you truly are one of the greatest of all time, you at least should give effort on defense, and he was questioned his whole career for his defense.

My top ten just for argument's sake:

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Michael Jordan
3. Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Bill Russell
6. Tim Duncan
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Jerry West
10. LeBron James
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I really only deal in the modern era of basketball. Post-merger, and after the addition of the 3 point line (1980ish?). Before that the game was very different, and the talent pool was very thin. I think comparing players from 1960 to now is useless.

I disagree that Barkley's D was awful. I would argue that his D is a hell of a lot better than Magic's. I don't think someone's D is questionable if they get 8+ D rebounds and 1.5+ steals per game (all 4 years in Phoenix). In Philly he was a monster. His best years got wasted with little talent surrounding him. He got there in the twilight years of some stars. He always had 1 good teammate, but just never a deep team.

Phoenix wasn't even close to his best years, that was just the best team he was on.
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Looking over the assist rates for certain players, it seems as if Grevis Vasquez has no other redeeming qualities (average offensive player, below average defender), other than the fact that he can pile up assists when he's on the floor.
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Yeah, Vasquez is a below-average player.
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Odom looking like his old self more and more. Averaging 10 rp36, but he's not scoring efficiently. I think he'll come around though. He could make the Clippers very dangerous.
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3. Rockets
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Awesome article about the tendencies of MVP voting:

Only 1 player has ever won with fewer than 20 ppg (Steve Nash)
Only 3 players have ever won with fewer than 55 wins (M Malone, M Jordan, S Nash)
Only 1 player has ever won appearing in fewer than 75 games (Iverson)
Only 1 player has ever won without getting the most first place votes (Magic over Barkley)
No consensus MVP ever

Based on all this, the guys currently in the MVP conversation are:

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MVP is Lebron's to lose. He's only averaging 26.5, 8.5, and 7. There's not another perimeter player shooting 55% and who averages those type of numbers. Honestly Lebron should win the MVP every year until he stops putting these type of numbers up, and if he doesn't win it it's because people are tired of voting for him.
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MVP is Lebron's to lose. He's only averaging 26.5, 8.5, and 7. There's not another perimeter player shooting 55% and who averages those type of numbers. Honestly Lebron should win the MVP every year until he stops putting these type of numbers up, and if he doesn't win it it's because people are tired of voting for him.
He's going to get the Jordan treatment. People are tired of voting for him.

With Durant's shooting numbers, better assists number, above average defense, and the controversy of the Harden trade and they are still just as good, he'll get it.
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