Rose has torn ACL and MCL (unconfirmed)

[tvols75]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

Maybe if his GM wasn't a moronic imbecile, he would have stayed. Do you not remember how bad Cleveland was without him? The best player he played with was Mo Williams...the guy who can't even start for the Clippers.

Let's see. Here's LeBron: He has played seven years in Cleveland, having to carry the team every single night while the franchise was too cheap and too idiotic to get anything done. So then, he gets offer $100M to play in South Beach and his best friend, while also playing for management that actually knows what they are doing. You would have done the same thing.

I like Lebron a lot, but the Miami decision in and of itself was not a big deal. The Miami situation + the Decision + the premature celebration/introduction + crapping on your hometown with how your decision went down= a lot of hatred. He admitted he made a very poor decision to do all that he did.

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by tvols75

I like Lebron a lot, but the Miami decision in and of itself was not a big deal. The Miami situation + the Decision + the premature celebration/introduction + crapping on your hometown with how your decision went down= a lot of hatred. He admitted he made a very poor decision to do all that he did.

Oh, I agree the Decision and the days after were just ridiculous. I'm talking about the whole "Oh, he's not a real man playing with Wade" when everbody would have taken $100M dollar to play in South Beach with your best friend after your previous organization couldn't build a team worth ****.

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Originally Posted by zjcvols

Oh, I agree the Decision and the days after were just ridiculous. I'm talking about the whole "Oh, he's not a real man playing with Wade" when everbody would have taken $100M dollar to play in South Beach with your best friend after your previous organization couldn't build a team worth ****.

Do you really not think he could have leveraged his free-agency with the Cavs management to get some more help by saying he would stay contingent that they either trade for or sign a decent second player for the team IMMEDIATELY.

[Yankee_Vol]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

Because's he not Michael.

But whatever.

Look, he's a professional athlete. Like a lot of pro athletes, they can be jackasses. LeBron made a jackass move. Whatever. I just like watching him ball. It's that simple. Just like with Griffin, Rose, Durant, Paul, etc.

Kobe has been a much, much, much, much bigger jackass than LeBron has in his career, but nobody cares.

I'm sure the rings don't hurt

[Yankee_Vol]

Shumpert of the Knicks tore his ACL as well

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Bad for the game, hate to see anyone go out like that

[Section KK]

Does this mean starting PG for 1 seed is now a former vol?

... Really sucks for the bulls :( but I hope they keep winning with CJ

[tvols75]

Originally Posted by bleedorange0037

Do you really not think he could have leveraged his free-agency with the Cavs management to get some more help by saying he would stay contingent that they either trade for or sign a decent second player for the team IMMEDIATELY.

Cleveland tried to attack F/A hard that year, but no one wanted to play in Cleveland. The biggest mistake Cleveland made in his tenure there was not trading JJ Hickson for Amare and instead getting Jamison. Was an awful move.

[tvols75]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

Oh, I agree the Decision and the days after were just ridiculous. I'm talking about the whole "Oh, he's not a real man playing with Wade" when everbody would have taken $100M dollar to play in South Beach with your best friend after your previous organization couldn't build a team worth ****.

Agree with that. I have no problem with him going to play with Wade and anyone who thought that was cheating for a championship is a moron. Jordan didn't test FA because he had Pippen and Phil Jackson. To compare those situations is dumb at best. There's no doubt that Jordan is the greatest to ever live, but if he had no one to play alongside him plus an average coach for the first 6-7 years of his career he definitely would've left.

No one discounts Magic or Bird's championships with those HOFers playing alongside them. No one discounts Kobe's championships with Shaq. No one discounted Boston's last championship with the Big 3. Shaq did the same thing Lebron did, but without all the ceremonies. It's one thing to hate how it all went down; it's another thing to just say Lebron went to a team so someone else could win him a championship. If that is your view, then you are either a moron or have a vendetta against Lebron.

[milohimself]

Heres my thoughts on it:

- if miami wins a title, wade is jordan and lebron is pippen
- the 'decision' circus and the 'not one not two' etc etc were what really did it
- it's not cheating. I sympathize with the reasoning lebron gave for leaving cleveland and the rationale for joining wade and bosh. It's just a sad state of affairs when superstars banding together proves more effective than teams who exercise good management from top to bottom

[bleedorange0037]

Originally Posted by tvols75

Agree with that. I have no problem with him going to play with Wade and anyone who thought that was cheating for a championship is a moron. Jordan didn't test FA because he had Pippen and Phil Jackson. To compare those situations is dumb at best. There's no doubt that Jordan is the greatest to ever live, but if he had no one to play alongside him plus an average coach for the first 6-7 years of his career he definitely would've left.

No one discounts Magic or Bird's championships with those HOFers playing alongside them. No one discounts Kobe's championships with Shaq. No one discounted Boston's last championship with the Big 3. Shaq did the same thing Lebron did, but without all the ceremonies. It's one thing to hate how it all went down; it's another thing to just say Lebron went to a team so someone else could win him a championship. If that is your view, then you are either a moron or have a vendetta against Lebron.

Jordan played on some very average Bulls teams prior to Pippen's arrival and it still took a couple years for them to get to the Finals after that. Shaq and Kobe didn't seek one another out. At the tie Shaq went to LA, Kobe had just been drafted and no could have known for certain that he was going to turn out to be the star he became.

Like it or not, LeBron is the first superstar who, in his prime, has had to actively seek out the assistance of not just one, but two other superstars in an effort to win a title because he either couldn't do it himself. It's not like the Cavs had to get another elite player to win a title either. LeBron actually got them to the Finals even with that lousy supporting cast. They could have easily gotten enough good pieces around him actually win a title IMO. Instead, LeBron took the easy way out, which is why I'd rather not see him win a championship.

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Originally Posted by milohimself

Heres my thoughts on it:

- if miami wins a title, wade is jordan and lebron is pippen
- the 'decision' circus and the 'not one not two' etc etc were what really did it
- it's not cheating. I sympathize with the reasoning lebron gave for leaving cleveland and the rationale for joining wade and bosh. It's just a sad state of affairs when superstars banding together proves more effective than teams who exercise good management from top to bottom

Exactly this.

Also, I never said LeBron was necessarily cheating, just that he was taking the easy road.

[milohimself]

How is it the easy way out? He did what was best for him. Cleveland had plenty of time to build a team that complemented him but never did

[milohimself]

Originally Posted by bleedorange0037

Exactly this.

Also, I never said LeBron was necessarily cheating, just that he was taking the easy road.

I will never fault a player for doing what they think is best for them

[bleedorange0037]

Originally Posted by milohimself

How is it the easy way out? He did what was best for him. Cleveland had plenty of time to build a team that complemented him but never did

The easy way out in the sense that he didn't want to have to actually lead a team to a title. Basically what you said with your Wade being Jordan and LeBron being Pippen comment. He may get his title(s), but his decision to go to Miami should forever exclude him from any sort of Greatest of All-Time conversations.