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06-20-2011, 01:23 PM
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| | Short Sided
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| Bull's GM is Paying Attention to Dave Berri
None of you buy advanced stats (at least to the degree I do). When I mention Berri he's quickly dismissed as a "moron who has clearly never played sports". GM Gar Forman values Berri's opinion. Recently he cited Berri's research when he claimed he expects Derrick Rose to improve as a player. GM's are starting to pay attention. Bulls? Derrick Rose has room to grow, or so the study goes - Chicago Sun-Times | 
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06-20-2011, 01:39 PM
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| | Drop The Leash
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| What a concept, a 21 year old kid who hasn't peaked.
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06-20-2011, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GahLee  What a concept, a 21 year old kid who hasn't peaked. | lol
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06-20-2011, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GahLee What a concept, a 21 year old kid who hasn't peaked. | For real...not the best example... | 
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06-20-2011, 02:18 PM
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| You guys are missing the point, and probably didn't even read the article (if you had, I figure your comments would dispute that your basketball peak isn't at age 25).
The point is GMs are aware of Berri's research and value it. After all, the metric for player productivity in the study was "wins produced". | |
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06-20-2011, 02:21 PM
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| | YKW = Basilio's Bish
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| That article kinda made Berri look stupid. It's saying what we are all saying, too many variables in play for his "advanced statistics" to be gospel.
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06-20-2011, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bamacheats That article kinda made Berri look stupid. It's saying what we are all saying, too many variables in play for his "advanced statistics" to be gospel.
Posted via VolNation Mobile | People like you (probably you, specifically) said stuff like GM's and basketball experts would never listen to Berri. Somehow proof of a GM listening to Berri makes Berri look "stupid".
The author of the article implies there are too many variables. That's not what the GM said, all we know is that he values Berri's work.
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06-20-2011, 02:28 PM
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| I would say the basketball peak is around 28 but it depends on the player.
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06-20-2011, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GahLee I would say the basketball peak is around 28 but it depends on the player. | Everyone is different so there will always be outliers, but stats show it's by 25.
The first player I looked up is Michael Jordan. From ages 23-26 he averaged over 33 ppg 3 times and never did it again in his career. From 24-27 he shot .600 TS% 4 times and never shot .600 the rest of his career. 28 might be a little late. | |
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06-20-2011, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nbakerld Everyone is different so there will always be outliers, but stats show it's by 25. | Kobe Bryant being a giant one | |
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06-20-2011, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VKAman Kobe Bryant being a giant one | What do you mean by that?
Kobe was basically the same player from 22-29. Yeah he had the season with 35 ppg when he was 27, but it didn't come with increased productivity...he was just shooting 27 times per game.
I would contend maybe Kobe's best season was when he was 24: 30 ppg (3rd most of his career), 6.9 rpg (most), 5.9 apg (2nd most), and 2.2 spg (most). But then his 2nd and 3rd best seasons were probably at ages 28 and 29. | |
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06-21-2011, 04:23 PM
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| | Give me 3 more!!!
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Originally Posted by nbakerld What do you mean by that?
Kobe was basically the same player from 22-29. Yeah he had the season with 35 ppg when he was 27, but it didn't come with increased productivity...he was just shooting 27 times per game.
I would contend maybe Kobe's best season was when he was 24: 30 ppg (3rd most of his career), 6.9 rpg (most), 5.9 apg (2nd most), and 2.2 spg (most). But then his 2nd and 3rd best seasons were probably at ages 28 and 29. | I don't think Kobe was at his mental prime until 2006. | |
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