Nascar!!!

[volintears]

they sure made one of the best races of the year a BORING joke today with telling them how they could drive.Whens enough enough?Same car,same motor pretty much,and now you cant drive to the way the track demands to win.

and bye the way,48 pretty much locked it up today,,from 30th to a 6th place finish.

[RockyTopVol]

I'd have to agree with what Newman said after his wreck. It wasn't fun to watch and they're taking the racing out of the drivers hands.

The last 20 laps or so was the only racing they had.

[7thgroupvolfan]

Originally Posted by volintears

they sure made one of the best races of the year a BORING joke today with telling them how they could drive.Whens enough enough?Same car,same motor pretty much,and now you cant drive to the way the track demands to win.

and bye the way,48 pretty much locked it up today,,from 30th to a 6th place finish.

All their asking is for the drivers not to bump draft in the corners for obvious safety reasons. What's wrong with that?

[RockyTopVol]

NASCAR defends their bump drafting rule.

NASCAR says bump-drafting rules not to blame for single-file Talladega racing - Sprint Cup Series | NASCAR Racing News - SceneDaily.com

[RockyTopVol]

Originally Posted by 7thgroupvolfan

All their asking is for the drivers not to bump draft in the corners for obvious safety reasons. What's wrong with that?

Single file racing isn't fun to watch. They were getting on the guys for drafting down the front and back stretches as well.

[dantheman617]

NASCAR has become a joke. This is coming from someone who used to live 2 blocks from Bristol. I hate the new car, I hate the new rule changes. Am I the only one noticing that every week the stands have large empty sections at pretty much every track? I am sure the economy didn't help this but this is the "playoffs" and the stands are not full. Nobody wants to see the same 3-4 cars running up front every week. If I had to sum up NASCAR recently in one word that word would be boring. Please NASCAR do something

[7thgroupvolfan]

Originally Posted by RockyTopVol

Single file racing isn't fun to watch. They were getting on the guys for drafting down the front and back stretches as well.

I was flipping between the race and football so i didn't hear any complaints about bump drafting down the straight aways.

[doozer]

i've been to Talladega when it was the old car and the racing was single file.

fact of the matter is that the only way NASCAR has been able to truely produce side by side racing is with restrictor plates. secondly, the race is so long that at some point (during EVERY race) when you're riding around logging laps. Talladega is no different except for the fact that they run closer together.

Newman is kind of an idiot. while i hate to see anybody get upside down, it's part of racing. the 'necks in N. Alabama are there to see exactly that (plus some other stuff Staurday night). the drivers are never going to be happy.

[rbroyles]

Originally Posted by doozer

i've been to Talladega when it was the old car and the racing was single file.

fact of the matter is that the only way NASCAR has been able to truely produce side by side racing is with restrictor plates. secondly, the race is so long that at some point (during EVERY race) when you're riding around logging laps. Talladega is no different except for the fact that they run closer together.

Newman is kind of an idiot. while i hate to see anybody get upside down, it's part of racing. the 'necks in N. Alabama are there to see exactly that (plus some other stuff Staurday night). the drivers are never going to be happy.

We must have watched a different race than some of these guys doozer. I don't recall a lot of single file racing, but there was plenty of three wide and even four wide racing with plenty of lead changes. Does there have to be a "big one" to consider it a good race?

Too many wins by just a couple of owners is the biggest problem.

Now tell me more about Saturday night.

[volintears]

NASCAR.COM - The fix is in, except when it comes to the real problems - Nov 2, 2009

[rbroyles]

Originally Posted by volintears

NASCAR.COM - The fix is in, except when it comes to the real problems - Nov 2, 2009

"I might be in the minority, but I happen to think much of the racing this season has been pretty darn good."

[DownNDirty]

I don't know what they need to do at Dega or Daytona to tell you the truth. I don't like NASCAR telling the drivers what they can and can't do as far as bumping. They are big boys and should be able to police themselves.

As far as the racing - it was typical of what you see about every Dega race for the most part. I think younger fans forget what it was like even in the early days of plates. Go back and watch a Dega/Daytona race from 88-99. They would split up into smaller packs of cars every race. You'd normally see a pack peter down to 5-6 lead draft cars over a fuel run. Now the templates are so close and the teams are in such a box they all pretty much have the same stuff so you can't get away at all. With the way it is now the packs are much tighter than they ever were before.

Not saying that makes for better racing exactly but its the truth. I wish there was a way they could completely remove the plates at Dega and Daytona. Not letting them run unrestricted just have a different engine package at these tracks or take away a bunch of downforce to make the drivers have to play with the throttles a little and spread out some. Bump drafting wouldn't be necessary then and you could possibly bring back the slingshot drafting to propel cars forward. Don't think anything like this will happen but I wish they could do something to help spread the cars out a little more and let the drivers race and not force them into having to bump draft to pass other cars.

[RockyTopVol]

Originally Posted by DownNDirty

I don't know what they need to do at Dega or Daytona to tell you the truth. I don't like NASCAR telling the drivers what they can and can't do as far as bumping. They are big boys and should be able to police themselves.

As far as the racing - it was typical of what you see about every Dega race for the most part. I think younger fans forget what it was like even in the early days of plates. Go back and watch a Dega/Daytona race from 88-99. They would split up into smaller packs of cars every race. You'd normally see a pack peter down to 5-6 lead draft cars over a fuel run. Now the templates are so close and the teams are in such a box they all pretty much have the same stuff so you can't get away at all. With the way it is now the packs are much tighter than they ever were before.

Not saying that makes for better racing exactly but its the truth. I wish there was a way they could completely remove the plates at Dega and Daytona. Not letting them run unrestricted just have a different engine package at these tracks or take away a bunch of downforce to make the drivers have to play with the throttles a little and spread out some. Bump drafting wouldn't be necessary then and you could possibly bring back the slingshot drafting to propel cars forward. Don't think anything like this will happen but I wish they could do something to help spread the cars out a little more and let the drivers race and not force them into having to bump draft to pass other cars.

If they were to remove the plates, the cars would absolutely fly.

Over the weekend Kenny Wallace said that a couple of years ago Rusty Wallace did a test run at Talladega without the plate and did a lap at 230 mph.

Obviously, that would be awesome to see, but it would be highly dangerous. I don't mind the bump drafting rule to a degree, but it seemed the drivers were cautious and tentative the whole race up until the last 20 laps or so.

[rbroyles]

If you leave it up to the drivers you will have a "big one" every 50 laps because a driver will push for any advantage and not even consider the consequence. It would just be a matter of time before a serious incident occurred.

You let a car get into the grandstand, and you can pretty much kiss racing at Super speedways goodbye.

I think an aero package with slight engine restriction could be developed that would keep throttle response available. That is the main problem with plates, then the drivers could back off and not lose the draft. Now they are reluctant to lift as they lose momentum and can't get it back.

[cd12]

Originally Posted by rbroyles

If you leave it up to the drivers you will have a "big one" every 50 laps because a driver will push for any advantage and not even consider the consequence. It would just be a matter of time before a serious incident occurred.

You let a car get into the grandstand, and you can pretty much kiss racing at Super speedways goodbye.

I think an aero package with slight engine restriction could be developed that would keep throttle response available. That is the main problem with plates, then the drivers could back off and not lose the draft. Now they are reluctant to lift as they lose momentum and can't get it back.

I kind of like Ed Hinton's take on things over at espn.com (nice piece)