OFFICIAL Chi Cubs Thread: Anyone can have a bad century/this is the year

[Vercingetorix]

With all the high-profile pitchers that Beane has either traded or let walk away, has he been burned yet?

[VOLNBAMA]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

i don't hate Harden. I just think you are more ridiculous than VolMania21 and his Jessica Alba fantasy world with your mancrush on someone who rarely ever pitches that deep into a game and spends most of his time on the DL. He's nowhere near the dominant pitcher you love to profess.

I don't have a man crush on him, i just think when he's healthy he's one of the most dominant pitchers in the majors. Why does it matter to you what i think anyways? The whole argument is irrelevant because nobody knows who the most dominant pitcher is, it's all opinions.

[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

With all the high-profile pitchers that Beane has either traded or let walk away, has he been burned yet?

due to the staff he had the time and how incredibly well the Mulder trade worked out, the Hudson trade doesn't stand out as bad as it should for the A's. Aaron Harang for Jose Guillen was a horrific trade as well.

[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA

I don't have a man crush on him, i just think when he's healthy he's one of the most dominant pitchers in the majors. Why does it matter to you what i think anyways? The whole argument is irrelevant because nobody knows who the most dominant pitcher is, it's all opinions.

it may all be opinions, but conventional stats don't back you up. You just cling to his strikeout ratio.

[vols kick balls]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

due to the staff he had the time and how incredibly well the Mulder trade worked out, the Hudson trade doesn't stand out as bad as it should for the A's. Aaron Harang for Jose Guillen was a horrific trade as well.

Harang was a bum when he was traded away though. No one knew what Harang would turn into. I still remember people calling into the Reds Pregame dropping F bombs every which way for trading Jose Guillenf for a pitcher with no talent.

[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by vols kick balls

Harang was a bum when he was traded away though. No one knew what Harang would turn into. I still remember people calling into the Reds Pregame dropping F bombs every which way for trading Jose Guillenf for a pitcher with no talent.

i'm going to disagree with that. While Harang wasn't the pitcher he was the past few seasons, he wasn't a bum either. I never felt good about that trade, but then again, I don't feel very good about most Beane trades, but he's proven that he typically knows what he is doing.

[vols kick balls]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

i'm going to disagree with that. While Harang wasn't the pitcher he was the past few seasons, he wasn't a bum either. I never felt good about that trade, but then again, I don't feel very good about most Beane trades, but he's proven that he typically knows what he is doing.

Bum was a little strong but he was a #5 that was pitching in an extreme pitchers park. Shifting that #5 to the great american small park didn't project well and there were a lot of Jose Guillen fans in Cinci. A lot of Reds fans were pissed. No one could have had a clue that Harang would have turned out this good.

[Vercingetorix]

The interesting thing is that Hudson and Harang have basically the same value now; both consistently have ERA+s about 125 or so. (ERA normalized to league and park, then against a scale where 100 is average.)

I think the key thing that Beane knows is that pitchers fluctuate so much that signing them to long-term deals is usually a bad risk. Bring them up, get a few years out of them, and then flip them to somebody else for prospects while they still have value.

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Jeff Samrggaaajja (sp) called up...

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[volfanbill]

sorry about the loss (ok, not really, i hate the cubs), but it's at least nice to know the most dominant pitcher in the game lasted so long right?


What's that you say? 5 innings isn't very long? Oh, well my bad...

[vols_are_champs]

The Cubs are predicted to lose in the NLCS this year.

[VOLNBAMA]

Originally Posted by volfanbill

sorry about the loss (ok, not really, i hate the cubs), but it's at least nice to know the most dominant pitcher in the game lasted so long right?


What's that you say? 5 innings isn't very long? Oh, well my bad...

You think so too, well that's something we agree on.

[vols_are_champs]

Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA

You think so too, well that's something we agree on.

Unless you are talking about Santana or Chamberlain, then I disagree. Who is it?

[VOLNBAMA]

Originally Posted by vols_are_champs

Unless you are talking about Santana or Chamberlain, then I disagree. Who is it?

If that's your opinion then alright.

[volfanbill]

Originally Posted by VOLNBAMA

You think so too, well that's something we agree on.

17 1/3 in 3 games isn't that impressive at all. It's definitely not dominating.