Chipper Jones and Jason Giambi GW HR

[Vercingetorix]

Originally Posted by TBrown

I thought steroids were the only reason Barry made it to 40? Can we at least get the story straight?

Bonds was one of the 10-15 greatest hitters of all time and was going to make it to 40 regardless. Juicing was what spiked his production back up and gave him a second prime in his mid to late 30s.

I'm on (extremely long) record in one of these threads about how the body armor he was grandfathered into being allowed to wear is what pushed that second prime into superhuman status, but I don't really want to revisit it here.

Careers and primes are longer and later now, but in general I think it's more due to dramatically better strength and conditioning than anything else.

[TBrown]

Originally Posted by Dbake005

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[slh1089]

Originally Posted by TBrown

Wasn't directed at you..my bad. Just that the fact that people blame any and everything on steroids and contradict themselves.

Haha alright, thought I was getting called out.

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

Bonds was one of the 10-15 greatest hitters of all time and was going to make it to 40 regardless. Juicing was what spiked his production back up and gave him a second prime in his mid to late 30s.

I'm on (extremely long) record in one of these threads about how the body armor he was grandfathered into being allowed to wear is what pushed that second prime into superhuman status, but I don't really want to revisit it here.

Careers and primes are longer and later now, but in general I think it's more due to dramatically better strength and conditioning than anything else.

This, especially for basketball. Bill Simmons wrote on this about a year ago I believe.

[zjcvols]

Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Steve Nash: Defying the longevity odds - ESPN

Here it is.