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03-02-2011, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis  Compiled career stats mean next to nothing when saying "best ever"
Posted via VolNation Mobile | Not true at all.
Baseball more than any other sport looks to statistics to determine greatness. Hence virtual ( pre-steroid era ) Cooperstown locks when you got 500 HR or 3,000 hits or 300 wins.
In baseball it is all about stats. Sure you can say Joe DiMaggio is the best ever and make a somewhat valid argument even though he has no business in the discussion when stats are brought up. It's hard to argue for a guy when someone else who played the same amount of time has many more HR/RBI/SB...exct.
He has averaged 40 HR/120 RBI over his first 10 years. I would venture to guess that those career averages are the best in MLB history.
He is in the thick of the best ever conversation to me.
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03-02-2011, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tigervol9802 Nope, but if it continues to deteriorate it will start to catch up with him.
I know he had surgery and says he is as good as new, but it's still something I would keep watch on. | His elbow is the only thing that could keep him from being in the top 3 all-time IMO. | |
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03-02-2011, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by justingroves His elbow is the only thing that could keep him from being in the top 3 all-time IMO. | Pretty much my opinion. | |
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03-02-2011, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GahLee Not true at all.
Baseball more than any other sport looks to statistics to determine greatness. Hence virtual ( pre-steroid era ) Cooperstown locks when you got 500 HR or 3,000 hits or 300 wins.
In baseball it is all about stats. | Not true anymore. Longer careers, smaller parks, and watered down pitching need to be taken into account, hence normalization.
Not that Pujols isn't sure fire hall of famer, but off the top of my head, Ruth, Williams, and Hornsby would place ahead. | |
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03-02-2011, 01:04 PM
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| Poo-holes will probably end up on the short list of best ever, but GOAT? Probably not. | |
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03-02-2011, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis Not true anymore. Longer careers, smaller parks, and watered down pitching need to be taken into account, hence normalization.
Not that Pujols isn't sure fire hall of famer, but off the top of my head, Ruth, Williams, and Hornsby would place ahead. | Longer careers?
Of the three you refrenced Hornsby played 23 seasons, Ruth played 22 and Williams played 19 ( with 3 lost years due to service ).
Pujols has played just 10, if he plays the shorter of those careers (19) he will have some eye-popping numbers.
Like 700 HR/2,000 RBI/2,000 R/ 3,000 H.
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03-02-2011, 03:36 PM
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| Pujols has a serious, serious shot to get the RBI record.
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03-02-2011, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zjcvols Pujols has a serious, serious shot to get the RBI record. | And the HR record.
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03-02-2011, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by GahLee Longer careers?
Of the three you refrenced Hornsby played 23 seasons, Ruth played 22 and Williams played 19 ( with 3 lost years due to service ).
Pujols has played just 10, if he plays the shorter of those careers (19) he will have some eye-popping numbers.
Like 700 HR/2,000 RBI/2,000 R/ 3,000 H. | You're doing a fine job of only using the criteria and information you choose Posted via VolNation Mobile | |
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03-02-2011, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis You're doing a fine job of only using the criteria and information you choose
Posted via VolNation Mobile | I do what I can.
I still believe that baseball is more stat dependant than any other sport.
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03-02-2011, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GahLee I do what I can.
I still believe that baseball is more stat dependant than any other sport. | I'm not knocking Pujols, but the Plateaus meen much less than most people want to believe. I don't think that 150 hits per year for 20 years is impressive.
Logging decent stats year in, year out, to reach artificial levels of "greatness" is absurd, in my opinion. | |
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03-02-2011, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JTrainDavis I'm not knocking Pujols, but the Plateaus meen much less than most people want to believe. I don't think that 150 hits per year for 20 years is impressive.
Logging decent stats year in, year out, to reach artificial levels of "greatness" is absurd, in my opinion. | Nothing decent about the stats we are talking though, we're talking legendary numbers, there is the difference.
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03-02-2011, 07:18 PM
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