Eric Garner Grandy Jury Decision Today

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lawgator1 said:
Are you saying he went in to a store in that jurisdiction and bought the cigarettes, fully taxed, and then paid whatever taxes were due and owing on that transaction, and merely re-sold the fully taxed cigarettes?

Or are you ignoring that he was selling them cheaper than if they were bought by a retailer and the correct taxes paid?
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Most people see this as aa civil rights case, but only a true govt lapdog would cry about perceived lost taxes.

Hey LG, if he would have bought those same cigarettes and just gave them away instead of selling them, wouldn't the outcome be the same? Wouldn't the store owners in that neighbor neighborhood still lose potential sales? Wouldn't the govt have still lost potential saless sales taxes?

Its the same as saying its OK for a woman to give her body for free, but she can't do it for a profit.
 
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vols-1 said:
The hold was against policy not law. There's no day in court for an organizational policy.
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Isn't manslaughter against the law?

Procedure or not. Policy or not. A man died of what likely would amount to a misdemeanor in court. And you can't tell me selling untaxed cigarettes is in any way, shape or form worthy of a death penalty.

I'm one of the most pro-LEO people on this board and I'm here to say if the jury doesn't return an indictment, there is seriously something fishy going on in NYC. This a pretty clear cut case of excessive use of force that should be turned to trial.

And I really don't know how some of you can argue to the contrary.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Isn't manslaughter against the law?

Procedure or not. Policy or not. A man died of what likely would amount to a misdemeanor in court. And you can't tell me selling untaxed cigarettes is in any way, shape or form worthy of a death penalty.

I'm one of the most pro-LEO people on this board and I'm here to say if the jury doesn't return an indictment, there is seriously something fishy going on in NYC. This a pretty clear cut case of excessive use of force that should be turned to trial.

And I really don't know how some of you can argue to the contrary.
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I'm glad you chimed in.

Why did it take so many officers to get this guy to comply? Was he on "something"?

I don't know the case well enough to have a opion on the matter. But I know you well enough to trust your judgement.
 
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Obsessed said:
I'm glad you chimed in.

Why did it take so many officers to get this guy to comply? Was he on "something"?

I don't know the case well enough to have a option on the matter. But I know you well enough to trust your judgement.
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Yeah, he was ON the ground get choked out by some Anderson Silva wannabe.
 
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Septic said:
Yeah, he was ON the ground get choked out by some Anderson Silva wannabe.
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Ease up sewer. Dude looks like a big man. But I'm sure nothing the local Leo's haven't handled before. It is a honest question.

IE: Rodney King
 
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One lesson here is if you are a us citizen selling cigarettes, lemonade, feeding homeless or camping outside you are subject to immediate lethal force, severe beatings, trumped up charges and false imprisonment.

If you are a la raza dope pusher/inner city street thug burning down small businesses, robbing old ladies and freeloading off welfare/social programs the police/govt will put out the red carpet for you.

The corruption is disgusting!
 
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Obsessed said:
I'm glad you chimed in.

Why did it take so many officers to get this guy to comply? Was he on "something"?

I don't know the case well enough to have a opion on the matter. But I know you well enough to trust your judgement.
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Based on the video alone, mind you there could have been something prior to the camera starting to roll, they are guilty. I don't know if he was on anything, but I can flat guarantee you at least one of those cops had a can of pepper spray or a Taser. Plus, there are all sorts of pain compliance techniques that don't require a choke hold that would have gained compliance and the effects would not have been damaging in any way.

I'm going to hope the jury sends this one to trial and the media has it all wrong. It's not an unknown story so I'm hoping justice prevails because no matter what happened prior to the point where the camera starting recording, compliance had been gained and continuing the choke hold was entirely unnecessary.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Based on the video alone, mind you there could have been something prior to the camera starting to roll, they are guilty. I don't know if he was on anything, but I can flat guarantee you at least one of those cops had a can of pepper spray or a Taser. Plus, there are all sorts of pain compliance techniques that don't require a choke hold that would have gained compliance and the effects would not have been damaging in any way.

I'm going to hope the jury sends this one to trial and the media has it all wrong. It's not an unknown story so I'm hoping justice prevails because no matter what happened prior to the point where the camera starting recording, compliance had been gained and continuing the choke hold was entirely unnecessary.
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Thank you.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Based on the video alone, mind you there could have been something prior to the camera starting to roll, they are guilty. I don't know if he was on anything, but I can flat guarantee you at least one of those cops had a can of pepper spray or a Taser. Plus, there are all sorts of pain compliance techniques that don't require a choke hold that would have gained compliance and the effects would not have been damaging in any way.

I'm going to hope the jury sends this one to trial and the media has it all wrong. It's not an unknown story so I'm hoping justice prevails because no matter what happened prior to the point where the camera starting recording, compliance had been gained and continuing the choke hold was entirely unnecessary.
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The Dim Mak is my go to when getting my kids to "comply", what's yours?

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Grand Vol said:
Isn't manslaughter against the law?

Procedure or not. Policy or not. A man died of what likely would amount to a misdemeanor in court. And you can't tell me selling untaxed cigarettes is in any way, shape or form worthy of a death penalty.

I'm one of the most pro-LEO people on this board and I'm here to say if the jury doesn't return an indictment, there is seriously something fishy going on in NYC. This a pretty clear cut case of excessive use of force that should be turned to trial.

And I really don't know how some of you can argue to the contrary.
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:good!:
 
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Septic said:
Yeah, he was ON the ground get choked out by some Anderson Silva wannabe.
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Technically the choke hold was stopped shortly after it was implemented. He was conscious and speaking when he was hand cuffed but his head was being pushed into the ground and officers were on top compressing his chest.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Haha ok. Dare I ask why did they accost the man in the first place? For being suspected of selling UNTAXED cigarettes. Tax evasion doesn't kill people, cops that enforce tax evasion kill people huh...
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Well I seriously doubt he was protesting tax law by selling cigs like that. But even if he did, the solution was to try to get the law changed. Not violate laws on compliance with lawful commands.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well I seriously doubt he was protesting tax law by selling cigs like that. But even if he did, the solution was to try to get the law changed. Not violate laws on compliance with lawful commands.
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So he deserved to die?
 
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