Urban challenging Slive?

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by OrangeBrownie

But a 2 game suspension isn't what we got.

We got a weak half gamer from Meyer and then we get this from Slive:

Meyer also talked to Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive, but Florida officials said it was Meyer's decision to suspend Spikes.
The SEC issued a statement saying it reviewed and accepted the discipline handed down by Florida.

They immediately issue a statement of support of the decision.

They supported the decision because UF's recommended punishment is in line with what the NCAA mandates following a player ejection. Spikes should have been ejected, hence the half game suspension.

I know that doesn't appease you, but I'm certain that was the rationale for the half game, whether you agree with it or not.

[OrangeBrownie]

The statement was issued immediately after Spikes's suspension.

The New SEC Bylaws also mandate a fine or suspension will come with criticism of officials but the response out of Birmingham seems to be on delay today for whatever reason.

[OrangeBrownie]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Wright

Kiffin's body of work was the reason why he's treated differently, fair or unfair. No other SEC coach has wrongly accused other coaches of cheating (while committing secondary violations of his own), followed by accusations of corruption at the highest levels in the conference. Kiffin is the only coach to go there.

It might not be fair, but I'm guessing the lack of equal treatment can be directly tied to the comments that were made.

I'll buy into any hint of impropriety with regard to punishment if Meyer is not fined, reprimanded or both.

Again

You can't penalize one team 15 yds for roughing the QB and the other 5 because one team is perceived as "dirty"

It doesn't work that way

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Wright

If Kiffin's comments were solely about football, I would agree with you. As it turns out, allegations regarding recruiting violations is serious business in the SEC.

Not knowing the actual rules while committing several secondary violations along the way, how did you expect the commissioner to respond?

Follow that up by inferring that there's a conspiracy to keep certain teams alive in the BCS title hunt. Should the commissioner just turn a blind eye to all that?

Kiffin has pretty much taken a bat to a bee hive with his comments, and you're wondering why he keeps getting stung.

Simply amazing. Secondary violations by the NCAA's own definitions are not "serious" violations. Get a clue and tone down your homerism. We're well aware of all the reprimands the NCAA and the SEC has given Kiffin for such egregious acts as saying a recruit's first name, telling boosters that CUM was so paranoid he kept calling Nuke during his visit to UT and still failed to get him at UF, and so on.

The question now is about Urban Meyer and what punishment he recieves for blatantly didisregarding Slive's warning toSEC coaches about the serious consequences that would result should they publicly criticise officiating.

It's Slive's law to enforce' or not. We'll see what he does. However, you can bet we'll judge it against his same propensity to dish out punishment to our coach. And, you bet it had better be consistent with the same actions he would have taken against Lane Kiffin. That's surely more than a 'reprimand' and a 'fine.'

Yet, it's all a product of Slive's ongoing power grab to take the game away from the fans.

If you've got a problem with the trash talking Kiffin is doing about your trashy program, settle it on the field. I know that was the intent and you failed, but you can try harder next year, but your whipping on the field is coming no matter how much you try to win it through the buruacracy that is Slive's office.

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by OrangeBrownie

The statement was issued immediately after Spikes's suspension.

The New SEC Bylaws also mandate a fine or suspension will come with criticism of officials but the response out of Birmingham seems to be on delay today for whatever reason.

I can't help you with that one.

It's as though you want Slive to hammer Meyer based on new bylaws put in place to silence Kiffin, even though Meyer's comments came nowhere close to indicting other coaches and the commissioner's office.

If you think Kiffin and Meyer deserve equal punishment based on the rules, that's understandable. The reality is Kiffin's comments were far more inflammatory, yet you don't want that to factor into the decision to suspend Meyer.

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by OrangeBrownie

The statement was issued immediately after Spikes's suspension.

The New SEC Bylaws also mandate a fine or suspension will come with criticism of officials but the response out of Birmingham seems to be on delay today for whatever reason.

Oh...we both know why it's delay on UF punishment, but support them as soon as possible when they need it.

The favouritism must be unprecedented in that office.

The SEC office used to spend its time working for the teams. Now, it's all about trying to run ram shad over coaches for daring to challenge its meaningless authority.

What a bonehead power grab. Get out the game, Slive, if that's all you know how to do with your office.

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by utmba93

Simply amazing. Secondary violations by the NCAA's own definitions are not "serious" violations. Get a clue and tone down your homerism. We're well aware of all the reprimands the NCAA and the SEC has given Kiffin for such egregious acts as saying a recruit's first name, telling boosters that CUM was so paranoid he kept calling Nuke during his visit to UT and still failed to get him at UF, and so on.

The question now is about Urban Meyer and what punishment he recieves for blatantly didisregarding Slive's warning toSEC coaches about the serious consequences that would result should they publicly criticise officiating.

It's Slive's law to enforce' or not. We'll see what he does. However, you can bet we'll judge it against his same propensity to dish out punishment to our coach. And, you bet it had better be consistent with the same actions he would have taken against Lane Kiffin. That's surely more than a 'reprimand' and a 'fine.'

Yet, it's all a product of Slive's ongoing power grab to take the game away from the fans.

If you've got a problem with the trash talking Kiffin is doing about your trashy program, settle it on the field. I know that was the intent and you failed, but you can try harder next year, but your whipping on the field is coming no matter how much you try to win it through the buruacracy that is Slive's office.

It's hard to debate with someone as objective as you. Last I checked UF settled it on the field, for the 5th straight year to be exact.

When Meyer's comments are consistent with your coach's comments, we can compare notes on punishments handed down.

For the record here's what Meyer said:
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The Sun then asked Meyer on the weekly teleconference what he thought of the play and how the league had responded.

"I'm not sure I can share that. I don't want to step out of line on that," Meyer said. "It should have been a penalty, in my opinion. You’ve got to protect quarterbacks. That’s the whole purpose. It’s right in front of the referee.”
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If you want to equate that to Kiffin accusing Florida of cheating when they didn't, or the commissioner masterminding some sort of UF-Bama conspiracy, then we're long past the point of any meaningful debate.

Meyer will be punished for those comments, but you won't be satisfied.

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Wright

I can't help you with that one.

It's as though you want Slive to hammer Meyer based on new bylaws put in place to silence Kiffin, even though Meyer's comments came nowhere close to indicting other coaches and the commissioner's office.

If you think Kiffin and Meyer deserve equal punishment based on the rules, that's understandable. The reality is Kiffin's comments were far more inflammatory, yet you don't want that to factor into the decision to suspend Meyer.

Do you seriously think there would be any delay in punishing Kiffin had he made those remarks?

Kiffin's comments were statements of truth from his perspective. Who else would know that such an injustice had occured had the coach not stated it. When referees do so much injustice that it alters a coach's planning, somebody needs to say something. The whole silence the coach concept that CUM and Slive are pusuing is simply stupid. Do it the old-fashioned way if that's your pleasure? Or are you that sure you can't do in on the field? It's revealing that the UF coach has so little confidence in accomplishing his task that way.

If you guys would spend less time trying to silence Kiffin and more time recruiting, you might have a chance to win another game against him, but I doubt it. He's going to whip the crap out of CUM when he has players of equivalent caliber.

The world of football knows that. That scares CUM so badly, he just can't get CLK off his mind, so he puts Kiffin quotes all over your locker room.

It's a sad truth for you Gator fans, but it's fun to watch for us.

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by Lawrence Wright

It's hard to debate with someone as objective as you. Last I checked UF settled it on the field, for the 5th straight year to be exact.

You've played Kiffin once... and that was hardly what CUM and all you loud mouth Gator fans expected it to be. Why else would your coach need to make an excuse about the flu?

Wait for your second round before talking about five in a row against him and his staff. Fulmer is gone. You may not have noticed.

[miraclemax]

As a Gator fan, I hope Meyer gets suspended for the Vandy game and goes golfing with Spikes while we torch the Comedydores.

It's just a perfect fit.

It shuts up all the critics who think the SEC is a tool for UF.

It brings attention to an obvious officiating mistake against UF and shuts up the critics who thinks the officials are obviously pro-Gator.

It deflects attention away from the perceived leniency of Spikes suspension.

And best of all, it sets the table for a future punishment for Kiffin and shuts up the critics in advance that the SEC has a different standard for Lane.

If I was a Vol fan, I wouldn't be screaming for Meyer to get suspended. I'd be sniffing conspiracy here. Meyer isn't a loose cannon. Every damn word is measured before it comes out of his mouth. He knew that he was criticising an official. He knew what Slive's edict was and knew that he'd get this reaction.

You just need to ask yourself why he did it. I think I know.

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by utmba93

Do you seriously think there would be any delay in punishing Kiffin had he made those remarks?

Kiffin's comments were statements of truth from his perspective. Who else would know that such an injustice had occured had the coach not stated it. When referees do so much injustice that it alters a coach's planning, somebody needs to say something. The whole silence the coach concept that CUM and Slive are pusuing is simply stupid. Do it the old-fashioned way if that's your pleasure? Or are you that sure you can't do in on the field? It's revealing that the UF coach has so little confidence in accomplishing his task that way.

If you guys would spend less time trying to silence Kiffin and more time recruiting, you might have a chance to win another game against him, but I doubt it. He's going to whip the crap out of CUM when he has players of equivalent caliber.

The world of football knows that. That scares CUM so badly, he just can't get CLK off his mind, so he puts Kiffin quotes all over your locker room.

It's a sad truth for you Gator fans, but it's fun to watch for us.

Based on Kiffin's track record so far, absolutely not. He's made false accusations about other coaches and all but accused the commissioner of conspiring to fix games.

Kiffin's comments were "statements of truth from his perspective"?

- Florida cheated in recruiting Richardson - false

- Bama should have been flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct and UT should have been allowed to re-kick the game-winning FG - false

- Mike Slive is conspiring with referees to fix games for Alabama and Florida - false

- The SEC refs suck this year - TRUE

But believe what you wish....

[utmba93]

Originally Posted by miraclemax

As a Gator fan, I hope Meyer gets suspended for the Vandy game and goes golfing with Spikes while we torch the Comedydores.

It's just a perfect fit.

It shuts up all the critics who think the SEC is a tool for UF.

It brings attention to an obvious officiating mistake against UF and shuts up the critics who thinks the officials are obviously pro-Gator.

It deflects attention away from the perceived leniency of Spikes suspension.

And best of all, it sets the table for a future punishment for Kiffin and shuts up the critics in advance that the SEC has a different standard for Lane.

If I was a Vol fan, I wouldn't be screaming for Meyer to get suspended. I'd be sniffing conspiracy here. Meyer isn't a loose cannon. Every damn word is measured before it comes out of his mouth. He knew that he was criticising an official. He knew what Slive's edict was and knew that he'd get this reaction.

You just need to ask yourself why he did it. I think I know.

That's a fun post. But, please continue.

[Lawrence Wright]

Originally Posted by utmba93

You've played Kiffin once... and that was hardly what CUM and all you loud mouth Gator fans expected it to be. Why else would your coach need to make an excuse about the flu?

Wait for your second round before talking about five in a row against him and his staff. Fulmer is gone. You may not have noticed.

I find your optimism is refreshing....misguided at times and biased, but refreshing.

[miraclemax]

Originally Posted by utmba93

That's a fun post. But, please continue.

My answer is clearly laid out in my post.

The challenge for you and others on the board is to answer the why for yourselves.

[HawaiiVol]

Brought up in another thread, but here's Slive's stance on criticizing officials.

"For the foreseeable future there will be no reprimands," Slive added. "We will go right to suspensions and fines."

Note the word in between the words "suspensions" and "fines". There is no "or".