Denard thinks he could beat Bolt

[crusse10]

Originally Posted by GahLee

You're a moron.

The fastest human ever vs maybe the third fastest guy in the Big10.

Grass or no grass Bolt would smoke any college or NFL player.

It would be an embarrassment. To say otherwise is an exercise is stupidity.

It's a different race, and Bolt is "the fastest human ever" because of his acceleration through the 2nd 50 meters of the 100m race. As I said, if Denard (or many other fast individuals) had been working up to this race and surprised Bolt with a race on any given day, they have the advantage over him, because everything about the race is foreign to him. His speed isn't in the first 10-20 yards, which is how the 40 yard dash is set up

[volfanngaytorland]

Originally Posted by GahLee

You're a moron.

The fastest human ever vs maybe the third fastest guy in the Big10.

Grass or no grass Bolt would smoke any college or NFL player.

It would be an embarrassment. To say otherwise is an exercise is stupidity.

Saying Bolt would run a sub 4 is moronic

[hndog609]

Originally Posted by crusse10

It's a different race, and Bolt is "the fastest human ever" because of his acceleration through the 2nd 50 meters of the 100m race. As I said, if Denard (or many other fast individuals) had been working up to this race and surprised Bolt with a race on any given day, they have the advantage over him, because everything about the race is foreign to him. His speed isn't in the first 10-20 yards, which is how the 40 yard dash is set up

This is simply incorrect. Nobody is still accelerating through the 2nd half of a 100m race. A glance at split times will demonstrate how top speed is reached by around that point in the race. The perception of acceleration is merely his top speed is faster than everyone else's top speed so he keeps getting further ahead. Don't kid yourself, all these guys (elite sprinters) are hauling arse straight out of the blocks. What makes them the freaks of nature that they are is that when lesser guys have run out of speed these guys are still going.

Go back and reference my earlier post (#45) with compared 40m splits. The fact is Bolt is scalding fast period. In fact, let's improve on that. Those splits included the reaction time of the runners. How about we subtract the reaction times and see what the split times were when measuring actual time over distance?

Johnson '88. 4.66 - .132
4.528

Green '99 4.69 - .162
4.528

Powell '05 4.69 - .150
4.54

Bolt 4.64 - .146
4.494

While I realize people are (understandably) in awe of Bolt's top end speed it's bewildering as to why there's this perception of him being some kind of plodder over shorter distances. It just doesn't bear out with the facts.

[bleedingTNorange]

This from someone who put in some serious time...

According to IAAF Analysis Split Times, Usain Bolt ran his FIRST 40m in 4.65 seconds. Subtracting his reaction time which was .165 seconds, he ran the 40m in 4.485 seconds. 40 yards is a totally different measurement than 40 meters. 40 yards is equal to approximately 36.576m
By simple ratio:
(40m/4.485)=(36.576m/X)
X=( 36.576 / (40/4.485) )
Usain Bolt's 40 yard dash would be:
A blazing 4.100 seconds.

Now let me add...bolt did have the wind at his back, the combine is indoors. Bolt did go off of blocks, I've seen that estimated at around .1 second advantage. So...with that in mind the 4.2-4.3 range is accurate.

Also, that WR run was done by Bolt 4 years go, so it's very possible that he'd be in the 4.3 range if he were to go run a 40 point being, chris Johnson would definitely make it interesting, and those suggesting sub 4 or 4 flat, well you're out of your mind.

[KappinSpaulding]

I would be happy if Michigan and Bammer could both lose

[hndog609]

Originally Posted by bleedingTNorange

This from someone who put in some serious time...

According to IAAF Analysis Split Times, Usain Bolt ran his FIRST 40m in 4.65 seconds. Subtracting his reaction time which was .165 seconds, he ran the 40m in 4.485 seconds. 40 yards is a totally different measurement than 40 meters. 40 yards is equal to approximately 36.576m
By simple ratio:
(40m/4.485)=(36.576m/X)
X=( 36.576 / (40/4.485) )
Usain Bolt's 40 yard dash would be:
A blazing 4.100 seconds.

Let's take the above at face value and say that Bolt ran a 4.1. This would represent actual time over distance. Fine, except we still aren't talking about anything we can compare to anyone's "football" 40 time. Our mathematician did a good job of taking Bolt's reaction time into consideration on the front end (RT's are embedded in track times) but it doesn't account for the subtracted time to make it a "football" 40. For track guys the clock starts at the gun, football 40's start AFTER the runner is already in motion and the timer starts the watch, right? So again, that RT is subtracted.

So how much to subtract? For the sake of uniformity let's just take that .165 from Bolt and use that. Sound fair? So take that 4.1 and make it a "football 40" by subtracting .165 and let that number sink in.

[P.O.T.S. VOL]

Originally Posted by KappinSpaulding

I would be happy if Michigan and Bammer could both lose

I like!

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by hndog609

Let's take the above at face value and say that Bolt ran a 4.1. This would represent actual time over distance. Fine, except we still aren't talking about anything we can compare to anyone's "football" 40 time. Our mathematician did a good job of taking Bolt's reaction time into consideration on the front end (RT's are embedded in track times) but it doesn't account for the subtracted time to make it a "football" 40. For track guys the clock starts at the gun, football 40's start AFTER the runner is already in motion and the timer starts the watch, right? So again, that RT is subtracted.

So how much to subtract? For the sake of uniformity let's just take that .165 from Bolt and use that. Sound fair? So take that 4.1 and make it a "football 40" by subtracting .165 and let that number sink in.

The RT is subtracted from the 4.1 time already, so why are you subtracting it twice?

Also, add in the .1 second advantage off the blocks.

Add the .5 second wind advantage he got in that race.

And now figure he is slower, he's never run another race that fast.

So you have 4.1, adding all that up, and once again, he's in the 4.2-4.3 range.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by hndog609

Let's take the above at face value and say that Bolt ran a 4.1. This would represent actual time over distance. Fine, except we still aren't talking about anything we can compare to anyone's "football" 40 time. Our mathematician did a good job of taking Bolt's reaction time into consideration on the front end (RT's are embedded in track times) but it doesn't account for the subtracted time to make it a "football" 40. For track guys the clock starts at the gun, football 40's start AFTER the runner is already in motion and the timer starts the watch, right? So again, that RT is subtracted.

So how much to subtract? For the sake of uniformity let's just take that .165 from Bolt and use that. Sound fair? So take that 4.1 and make it a "football 40" by subtracting .165 and let that number sink in.

Also...

So Gatlin runs a 4.4+ 40 at camp, runs a 9.79 100m at Olympics.

Bolt runs x 40, and runs 9.63 100m.

So you're saying that bolt beat gatlin by .16 seconds over 100 m, but is gonna beat him by .4-.5 seconds over 36 meters?

Also considering, gatlin had bolt beat at 40m, so it'd appear gatlin is the faster of the 2 in the first 30-40.

I don't think so, that's just common sense.

[cibai]

Originally Posted by BigPapaVol

I could beat him in a 10k.

You could probably beat him in a 5k. Flo Jo famously couldn't break 21:00 which is slow for any serious running.

[architecturevol]

Denard needs to wake up and apologize; he's obviously dreaming.

[Orange Blazer]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

I'm pretty sure Denard ran a 4.38 40 in high school.

So no?

[Vercingetorix]

I've read a lot of dumb things on the internet over the years. The idea that Denard Robinson or Chris Johnson could outrun Usain Bolt is among the top five stupidest.

[bleedingTNorange]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

I've read a lot of dumb things on the internet over the years. The idea that Denard Robinson or Chris Johnson could outrun Usain Bolt is among the top five stupidest.

Denard, no. But Chris Johnson in a 40 yard dash would be much more competitive than many are thinking.

[milohimself]

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

I've read a lot of dumb things on the internet over the years. The idea that Denard Robinson or Chris Johnson could outrun Usain Bolt is among the top five stupidest.

I don't think it's that far fetched that the fastest couple guys in the nfl could hang with bolt in a 40yd dash on grass no blocks if he were running cold, or at least not get smoked