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08-03-2012, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostVol Seriously? Does there NEED to be a "rule" that states raping children will not be tolerated?? | If such a "rule" is not required, why is it written into the penal code? |
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08-03-2012, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostVol Seriously? Does there NEED to be a "rule" that states raping children will not be tolerated?? | Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped? |
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08-03-2012, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bleedorange0037 Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped? |
This, but I feel like - no matter how many times it is said - some people will still refuse to accept it. |
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08-03-2012, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bamawriter If such a "rule" is not required, why is it written into the penal code? | Really?? You're going to argue that the NCAA needs this to be a "rule"?? |
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08-03-2012, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bleedorange0037 Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped? | You don't see the football program's cover-up of child rape for over a decade as "tolerating" it?? |
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08-03-2012, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bleedorange0037 Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped? | So any school that has done anything should just fire all involved and all will be good? |
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08-03-2012, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostVol Really?? You're going to argue that the NCAA needs this to be a "rule"?? | Actually quite the opposite. Rules that are reflective or the penal code are redundant. It should not be a rule, and the NCAA should stick to enforcing its rules. |
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08-03-2012, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostVol Really?? You're going to argue that the NCAA needs this to be a "rule"?? | No, I think like most sane people, he's arguing that this has no business being an NCAA rule. This is a matter for the police and the courts. The NCAA sanctions failed to have one iota of negative impact of any of the principal participants in this crime. It did however screw over an innumerable amount of innocent people who didn't even know of this until 9 months ago. |
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08-03-2012, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tvols75 So any school that has done anything should just fire all involved and all will be good? | No. In situations where the NCAA is the sole source of punishment, the NCAA should act. Their punishments might not always be felt by the guilty, but the NCAA only has so much power, so that can be forgiven.
In situations where there are far more appropriate sources of punishment (like the courts or the DOE), the NCAA should let those institutions do their jobs. |
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08-03-2012, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bleedorange0037 No, I think like most sane people, he's arguing that this has no business being an NCAA rule. This is a matter for the police and the courts. The NCAA sanctions failed to have one iota of negative impact of any of the principal participants in this crime. It did however screw over an innumerable amount of innocent people who didn't even know of this until 9 months ago. | Doesn't all consequences punish innocent individuals? |
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08-03-2012, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bamawriter No. In situations where the NCAA is the sole source of punishment, the NCAA should act. It's punishments might not always be felt by the guilty, but the NCAA only has so much power, so that can be forgiven.
In situations where there are far more appropriate sources of punishment (like the courts or the DOE), the NCAA should let those institutions do their jobs. | So when an NFL player constantly breaks the law, the commissioner shouldn't suspend him? |
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08-03-2012, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pepe_Silvia This, but I feel like - no matter how many times it is said - some people will still refuse to accept it. | The legal system has no standing to punish the football program. I've got no problem with what is going to happen through the legal system but the culture of cover-up and putting sports on a pedestal had to be punished as well. The NCAA was the only way that was going to happen. |
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08-03-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tvols75 Doesn't all consequences punish innocent individuals? | How are innocent people punished by Sandusky and his protectors going to prison? |
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08-03-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GhostVol You don't see the football program's cover-up of child rape for over a decade as "tolerating" it?? | The people who either raped children or orchestrated the coverup are all being punished or have died. It was a failing of specific human beings, not of some abstract institution. |
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08-03-2012, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bamawriter How are innocent people punished by Sandusky and his protectors going to prison? | Their families that had no idea about it, and are now associated with these monsters for the rest of their lives for one. |
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