When will the Hammer Fall ..On Miami?

[TrueOrange]

Originally Posted by berryvol

Miami is in just as bad trouble as PSU if not worse. Time will probably bring out more. My guess is that they don't get sanctioned for a while

Miami has to be given a proper investigation first, so it will take some time. Claims and actual actions have to be verified, etc

[Vol8188]

Originally Posted by UTvols#1

They did what.....are you serious

Yes, this guy payed for at least one player's girl friend to have an abortion.

"At a cost that Shapiro estimates in the millions of dollars, he said his benefits to athletes included but were not limited to cash, prostitutes, entertainment in his multimillion-dollar homes and yacht, paid trips to high-end restaurants and nightclubs, jewelry, bounties for on-field play (including bounties for injuring opposing players), travel and, on one occasion, an abortion."

Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports

[Vol8188]

If half of that is true, I think they get something far more severe than Penn State ever thought possible.

[TrueOrange]

Originally Posted by UTvols#1

They did what.....are you serious

Someone paid for a player's wife's or girlfriend's abortion


(personal stances on the matter aside)

While there's a religious/moral/ethical societal debate over matters regarding this issue, realistically - because what the NCAA is about, and regarding said action, what is or was legal at the time of the action - it likely won't receive any heavier weight or input (though admitting here people could debate the "should" factor)...unless the NCAA chooses to go rogue white knight here




That all said though, we should probably try to leave the debates on the specific action (abortion) to a proper forum like the politics board (rather than hijack this thread with it)

[508mikey]

Originally Posted by Vol8188

Yes, this guy payed for at least one player's girl friend to have an abortion.

"At a cost that Shapiro estimates in the millions of dollars, he said his benefits to athletes included but were not limited to cash, prostitutes, entertainment in his multimillion-dollar homes and yacht, paid trips to high-end restaurants and nightclubs, jewelry, bounties for on-field play (including bounties for injuring opposing players), travel and, on one occasion, an abortion."

Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports

Only problem is, like someone else posted - believing a covicted criminal with an ax to grind

[MSCE09]

The difference between Miami and PSU is that Miami there isn't a public clamour on Miami to commit seppuku.

Basically Penn State paid Freeh to investigate, stipulated to all the facts and accepted their penalty without appeal. Miami won't be that helpful if at all in helping the NCAA investigate them.

[MemphisCanes]

Miami has been given the official letter from the NCAA detailing its charges, now Miami is waiting for the penalties to be announced. PSU happened so quickly because the NCAA and Freeh worked in an experdited manner.

All this "as bad or worse than PSU" is ludicrous. The PSU administration actively covered up numerous child rape allegations, and that was verfied through a criminal trial of Sandusky as well as Freeh's independant iinvestigation.

All we know about the Miami stuff is that Nevin Shapiro says this or that happened and has very little evidence to back anything up. The current Miami players implicated were investigated, sat out a handful of games last year and were then cleared by the NCAA. What the rest of the investigation uncovers is anyone's guess.

As for the new allegations, who knows about those. To my knowledge they're just allegations made by the Yahoo! Sports journalist Charles Robinson at this point, and Al Golden himself made a public statement denying the charges. We'll see about those, too.

I'm not saying Miami skates, but don't expect anything in the ballpark of what PSU got. Maybe along the lines of USC for the Bush stuff, depending on what parts of Shapiro's stories can be verified.

[OrangeEmpire]

Never!

[StarRaider]

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[bamawriter]

Originally Posted by StarRaider

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I don't see how Miami gets anything less than PSU did. They deserve even worse.

[Thrasher865]

Allen recalled Shapiro saying. "We can't outbid these [expletive] SEC schools."

[MemphisCanes]

Originally Posted by bamawriter

I don't see how Miami gets anything less than PSU did. They deserve even worse.

Really? The PSU program was complicit with years of child rape, and may have even covered some up.

A rogue booster for Miami paid for some dinners and parties for current players. Against the rules, totally, but it's not child rape.

[nicksjuzunk]

Originally Posted by Thrasher865

Hmmm... 5* DB recruit from 2003 who went to a SEC school whom they couldn't outbid...

Quinton Culberson MS State
Dee Webb Florida
Paul Oliver Georgia

[bamawriter]

Originally Posted by MemphisCanes

Really? The PSU program was complicit with years of child rape, and may have even covered some up.

A rogue booster for Miami paid for some dinners and parties for current players. Against the rules, totally, but it's not child rape.

Given that PSU didn't violate any NCAA bylaws, I think anyone who does, especially as flagrantly as Miami, should get worse than PSU.

[MemphisCanes]

Originally Posted by bamawriter

Given that PSU didn't violate any NCAA bylaws, I think anyone who does, especially as flagrantly as Miami, should get worse than PSU.

By that logic, committing a secondary recruiting violation would mean a harsher penalty than what PSU got.