The NCAA is a shameful organization.

[Daloth]

You all want a "Football Advantage" in order to punish?

Better idea, let's do a "Disadvantage." Tell me, do you think recruiting would get hurt, even one recruit would leave, if this were reported in 2001? I do. I don't think anyone thinks otherwise.

Therefore, it helped recruiting to cover this up. My logic is just as good as "they didn't break any NCAA laws even though LoIC is very easy to see here." and even if they couldn't get that, this is a precedent unlike any other. It deserves an equally unprecedented punishment. If you don't like it, stop watching ESPN or college sports or go donate to PSU, because they are going to need it if the 30 mill fine and multiple year bowl ban turns out to be true

[allvol123]

Nothing like support for the overreaching arm of the NCAA. Pathetically stupid.

[milohimself]

Originally Posted by Daloth

You all want a "Football Advantage" in order to punish?

Better idea, let's do a "Disadvantage." Tell me, do you think recruiting would get hurt, even one recruit would leave, if this were reported in 2001? I do. I don't think anyone thinks otherwise.

Therefore, it helped recruiting to cover this up. My logic is just as good as "they didn't break any NCAA laws even though LoIC is very easy to see here." and even if they couldn't get that, this is a precedent unlike any other. It deserves an equally unprecedented punishment. If you don't like it, stop watching ESPN or college sports or go donate to PSU, because they are going to need it if the 30 mill fine and multiple year bowl ban turns out to be true

There was no language anywhere in the NCAA rules that dealt with this issue.

I posted a link that's buried in one of the other Penn State threads, but it was an official Pac-12 document that gave an exhaustive definition of what LOIC means, and the NCAA explicitly states that specific NCAA rules must have been broken in order for LOIC to have taken place.

Moreover, Emmert's letter to Penn State effectively said "You haven't broken any laws that we actually have but we are going to punish Penn State anyways."

[Pepe_Silvia]

Originally Posted by allvol123

Nothing like support for the overreaching arm of the NCAA. Pathetically stupid.

Some of these people are going to hurt themselves bending over backwards trying to justify the NCAA getting involved.

[GoBigOrangeVols]

the blanket of lack of institutional control is broad, and this case certainly fits squarely underneath it.

[s1216]

I don't really care what happens to Penn State football right now.

[bleedorange1983]

Originally Posted by GoBigOrangeVols

the blanket of lack of institutional control is broad, and this case certainly fits squarely underneath it.

I agree. If the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR and HEAD FOOTBALL COACH allow child rape in the showers of a NCAA-member school, how is that not lack of institutional control?

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by CountVolcula

The NCAA is doing the right thing

Other programs must understand that this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

They did solely to protect the Football program. Now the Football program and Penn State will pay for ignorance on their part

I will not shed a tear for them or any program, including UT, that enable a child molestor.

Some things are more important than a game

If I'm Emmert, here's why I punish Penn State:

1) They had a serious lack of instiutional control within their program that needs to be corrected. Nobody at Miami is there anymore that had to do with Shapiro. Why should they be punished then?

2) They gained a competitive football advantage in my mind. There is no doubt had Sandusky been caught, it would have hurt their football program. They covered up to protect the football program and their "image" which would have hurt them.

3) This is my own personal opinion. You say Penn State doesn't need to be punished. I disagree. Were they as bad as Paterno, Schultz, and Curley? No. But because they put Paterno on a god like pedestal, he got to do whatever he wanted and, in my opinion, was the one who initiated the cover up because the fans gave him that authority.

[bamawriter]

Originally Posted by bleedorange1983

I agree. If the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR and HEAD FOOTBALL COACH allow child rape in the showers of a NCAA-member school, how is that not lack of institutional control?

Because no violation was committed that that the school failed to respond to.

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by allvol123

One, it isnt't. Explain to me how covering up child molestation gave PSU some competitive advantage. It is a criminal matter, not a NCAA matter.

Two, if you believe it is a NCAA matter then you should be livid they are not shutting down the program.

So you are saying that the stain of Jerry Sandusky, just three years removed, as a child molestor who molested kids at Penn State wouldn't hurt recruiting?

Okay.

[Lexvol]

Originally Posted by rjd970

Disagree with th OP. I think the NCAA has some jurisdiction here as it pertains to institutional control and covering up a scandal that could have otherwise hurt the program.

I don't think the program should be banned from play, but I do think athletic penalties in addition to existing criminal and soon to follow civil penalties should be levied.

Agree 100%. Lack of institutional control is evident! Has nothing to do with the " criminality" of the case, and everything to do with the cover up.

In the end JoPa answered to no one.

[bamawriter]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

So you are saying that the stain of Jerry Sandusky, just three years removed, as a child molestor who molested kids at Penn State wouldn't hurt recruiting?

Okay.

Name a recruit that went to PSU because of the coverup.

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by bamawriter

Name a recruit that went to PSU because of the coverup.

Go ahead and tell yourself that Penn State would have been fine as the former DC was being charged with child molestation that occured at the facilities.

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by bamawriter

Name a recruit that went to PSU because of the coverup.

Actually, I can name one who cut Penn State even before Joe Pa got fired. Noah Spence.

[Hardwood_fanatic]

Originally Posted by bamawriter

Name a recruit that went to PSU because of the coverup.

Weird logic.