Doyel says Kiffin not a jerk

[OrangeBalls]

Originally Posted by DarthVisor

It shouldn't have have required adjusting and fixing in the first place. UT was as ill-prepared for that game as a team could possibly be. It was sad.

When a coaching staff had no idea that they were going to run the option with a 3rd string QB then how the hell do you prepare for that? You don't. They had the game to adjust not all week. You're not making any sense.

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by OrangeBalls

I'd say a number of players improved last year. Maggitt, Johnson and Randolph to name a few. It's not like everyone got worse.

Some individuals did improve. Unfortunately, it's a team game. The team regressed, imo.

[tvolsfan]

Originally Posted by Vol2424

Did you even read the articles? Calling players on campus and telling them not to go to class was the right thing? As much as you "think" it was "absolutely" the right thing , his actions were in USC's best interest. Brandon Willis and his family left town as soon as this happend. And Thompkins who never ended up here had to sit a year because of the coaching change. All of the players had to sit if they left. I'm not sure Coach O knew this , but I really doubt he cared as long as he kept some of the players he spent time recruiting. Not to mention the amount of money Tennessee spent playing for them to fly around the country to do so. According to some of you , it seems that if the last staff slapped your mother , it would somehow be her fault. Just Kiffin and company "absolutely" doing the right thing.

Let me make it clear. I don't know exactly what was said, but it would have been wrong of Kiffin and staff to not:

a) inform the recruits they were leaving
b) tell the recruits not to go to class if the coaching change would affect their decisions.

[DarthVisor]

Originally Posted by utvolpj

so they should have been ready for something they didn't know was happening or even how he would be used? Solid plan

Assuming they had prepared for every possible scenario, which they clearly did not, then yes. It shouldn't be that difficult to anticipate the possibility that a team with nothing to losr may try something new, like using a wildcat-type QB. Things like that are important to consider, esprcially with so much on the line in a game of that nature. That loss is primarily on the offense, though. I will agree with that.

[OrangeBalls]

Originally Posted by JayVols

AJ and Curt did improve. The team as a whole didn't. They learned how to lay down and get kicked while they were down.

Players of any age will get by with as much as they are allowed to get by with.

The team as a whole didn't get better because we had to throw a true freshman QB into the fire against the likes of LSU, Bama, USC and Ark. 4 Top 10 teams for those keeping count at home.

Hell, we weren't probably going to beat them with Bray. We looked as inept as I thought with a true freshman QB going against 4 of the best teams in the nation. After 4 beatdowns the team had gotten beat down.

[OrangeBalls]

Originally Posted by DarthVisor

Assuming they had prepared for every possible scenario, which they clearly did not, then yes. It shouldn't be that difficult to anticipate the possibility that a team with nothing to losr may try something new, like using a wildcat-type QB. Things like that are important to consider, esprcially with so much on the line in a game of that nature. That loss is primarily on the offense, though. I will agree with that.

So, you're saying that UT should've wasted time during the week preparing for the option and a player they had no idea would play at QB? Good Lord.

And so much on the line? LOL....

[Vol2424]

Originally Posted by tvolsfan

Let me make it clear. I don't know exactly what was said, but it would have been wrong of Kiffin and staff to not:

a) inform the recruits they were leaving
b) tell the recruits not to go to class if the coaching change would affect their decisions.

How about the same guy that called the recruits not having a word to say to the guys who played that one season for him? Walls called O five times and he never answered.

I know what you are getting at , I just know better. If it was done for the right reasons , I would have no problem with it. Ed only cared about himself , that staff and where they were going. Please don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.

[DarthVisor]

Originally Posted by OrangeBalls

So, you're saying that UT should've wasted time during the week preparing for the option and a player they had no idea would play at QB? Good Lord.

And so much on the line? LOL....

It's not really difficult to spend a portion of a practice trying to defend against a wildcatesque offense. It doesn't require a week of preparation. UK can't run and they damn sure can't pass. What else might they try to do to move the ball on us? It's really that simple.

Dooley had a lot on the line in that game. Had he won and then gone on to win a bowl game, how differently would he be viewed? As it stands, he was the coach that broke the winning streak over UK. That hasn't helped his reputation.

[Spartacavolus]

Originally Posted by JayVols

I'm not following. Are you saying that freshmen and sophomores can't improve throughout the season? Improvement from where one starts has nothing to do with talent or your competition.

I thought freshmen won some honors. You don't get honors if you digress.

[OrangeBalls]

Originally Posted by DarthVisor

It's not really difficult to spend a portion of a practice trying to defend against a wildcatesque offense. It doesn't require a week of preparation.

Dooley had a lot on the line in that game. Had he won and then gone on to win a bowl game, how differently would he be viewed? As it stands, he was the coach that broke the winning streak over UK. That hasn't helped his reputation.

I doubt many coordinators ever spend much time preparing for something that has very little chance of happening in a game. That's not good time management and game planning. They don't have that much prep work during the week for an away game to begin with. They aren't going to waste much time on something that hasn't been seen all year.

A coach is judged a lot on how they can adjust during a game especially when the other team throws them an element of surprise. The defense adjusted for the most part and held them to two drives with the TD drive aided by an official that was blind when the ball was clearly fumbled.

People want to bash Wilcox when the offense and special teams was putrid that day. Turnovers at bad times and no consistency at all. It was a total team collapse from offense, defense, special teams (our FG kicking was putrid too) and coaching though.

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by OrangeBalls

The team as a whole didn't get better because we had to throw a true freshman QB into the fire against the likes of LSU, Bama, USC and Ark. 4 Top 10 teams for those keeping count at home.

Hell, we weren't probably going to beat them with Bray. We looked as inept as I thought with a true freshman QB going against 4 of the best teams in the nation. After 4 beatdowns the team had gotten beat down.

I subscribe more to this philosophy/attitude. It's worth 2 minutes of your time.

Jimmy V Remembered - "Don't Give Up, Don't Ever Give Up" Speech (1993 ESPYs) - YouTube

[DarthVisor]

Originally Posted by OrangeBalls

I doubt many coordinators ever spend much time preparing for something that has very little chance of happening in a game.

I don't disagree with that. What I disagree with is that it would have been too time consuming to consider that UK may stick a guy back there to try and run with the ball. They couldn't run and they couldn't pass. What else might they do?

That's not good time management and game planning. They don't have that much prep work during the week for an away game to begin with. They aren't going to waste much time on something that hasn't been seen all year.

Valid point.

A coach is judged a lot on how they can adjust during a game especially when the other team throws them an element of surprise. The defense adjusted for the most part and held them to two drives with the TD drive aided by an official that was blind when the ball was clearly fumbled.


Agreed.

People want to bash Wilcox when the offense and special teams was putrid that day.

Agreed again. I was wrong to word my op the way I did, and I apologize.

Turnovers at bad times and no consistency at all. It was a total team collapse from offense, defense, special teams (our FG kicking was putrid too) and coaching though.

.

[OrangeBalls]

Originally Posted by JayVols

I subscribe more to this philosophy/attitude. It's worth 2 minutes of your time.

Jimmy V Remembered - "Don't Give Up, Don't Ever Give Up" Speech (1993 ESPYs) - YouTube

That's great for a motivational speech, but when you have a group of mainly freshmen and sophomores who have been beaten down over the course of the year then you're going to get what you got at Ky. Like I said, I've seen UT teams come out flat against Ky numerous times before in the past and the talent discrepancy was much wider than last year's titanic tilt. Those teams had enough Sr leadership and talent to overcome any of that even with bad coaching or poor motivation from the coaching staff. Last year's team didn't. Plain and simple.

[Spartacavolus]

The ky game was an odd day. Wasn't really fired up about it. Then I sawp what they were doing on offense. Our O killed us that day, but ky would have been 3 and out all day and a pick or two with the regular qb.
I said "uh oh" to my wife and told her I had a bad feeling. Still thought we would pull it out somehow, but without that wrench, even a terrible TN team beats them.

[JayVols]

Originally Posted by Spartacavolus

I thought freshmen won some honors. You don't get honors if you digress.

Again, that's individuals. It's a team sport. The team regressed.

Paul Hornung won the highest individual honor in the sport in 1956. The team was 2-8. Do you think that Notre Dame progressed as a whole that season?