Penn State scandal (merged)

[Brave Volunteer]

Originally Posted by KoachKletus

Sad for Penn State. Worse for the children. Paterno may not have raped any children, but it appears he was well aware and kept it under wraps. His wins since 1996 should be vacated, his statue torn down, and any buildings or programs named after him should be re-named. I don't believe that Penn State should celebrate another victory until Happy(smh)Valley is cleansed.

What blows my mind about all of this is pretty much ALL of Penn State's history and tradition are built upon Joe Paterno and what he accomplished while he was at Penn State! Now with all that has been uncovered, it is basically forcing Penn State to take a giganting bottle of "white out" and pretty much erase all of that history and start from scratch! I mean, if you're Penn State, what do you sell recruits on? Tradition? History? Prestige? I mean, you are basically starting COMPLETELY from scratch with your program! It's like you said, vacate the victories, tear down the statues, rename the buildings, etc. They might as well be Georgia State as far as I'm concerned.

[Yankee_Vol]

Do they take down the statue?

I think they have to

[Spartacavolus]

Originally Posted by Yankee_Vol

Do they take down the statue?

I think they have to

Flog it

[VolAwayFromHome]

Originally Posted by Yankee_Vol

Do they take down the statue?

I think they have to

You would think at the very least they have to take it down.

Personally, I would be ok with them taking away every victory from his record 2001 on. One of their bigger bragging rights is his all time win total, so taking that away would be the gigantic "FU" that Joe Pa deserves IMO.

My biggest hope is that the program as a whole is given the death penalty for at least 2 years. I know everyone talks about not punishing the current players, but that University could use a complete overhaul from very top to the entire AD.

[volger]

Any respect I had of Joe Pa is seriously tainted after all of this. Death penalty imo.

[voldawgforever]

Please kill it. All of it. Death Penalty please. Penn State should die, as a whole. How shameful. How terribly disgusting. To cover up a grown man raping and sodomizing a little boy is the most horrific act, and to do this, over and over, and over many many years, is so very sickening. To put your fingers up to your lips and say "sssssshhhhhh", with a wink, is the death penalty. Whether it be within the NCAA rules as a violation or not. CHANGE THE DAMN RULES now, just to punish Penn State.

[YorkVol]

People around here are saying that the current students shouldn't be punished for the misdeeds of former coaches and administrators. They want Curley and crew punished but also want it all to go away so they can reclaim happy valley.

They continue to be in denial. I think once the stories of all the cover ups come to light that they will not want to live on the old image any longer. Over the years, JoePa covered up assaults, robberies, rapes and of course, serial child molestation. The stories of recruiting violations would rival Bear Bryant, SMU and Miami--but they've never been proven. It is also possible that facts surrounding the murdered Center County DA may have gone to the grave with Paterno.

With Philadelphia and Pittsburg becoming two of the larger crap holes in the country, Penn State was really the only thing left to feel good about in Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, that is about to be taken away as well.

[bamawriter]

Originally Posted by YorkVol

The stories of recruiting violations would rival Bear Bryant, SMU and Miami

Not to change subjects, but what recruiting violations was Bryant ever accused of, charged with, or sanctioned for?

[orangesparkles]

This warrants jail time for those involved in a cover-up, not the Death Penalty for the program. I don't care about the fate of the current athletes at Penn State (after all, the talented amongst them will still be fine), but it's not the NCAA's place to destroy a school for actions not intrinsically linked to sports. In any event, what sport would the NCAA punish? Joe Paterno's culpability is still up for discussion and who knows the extent to which he could have conceivably participated in a cover-up; is the NCAA supposed to just shut down the entire athletics department because of the administration's inaction? Nonsense.

[YorkVol]

Originally Posted by bamawriter

Not to change subjects, but what recruiting violations was Bryant ever accused of, charged with, or sanctioned for?

None, neither was JoePa. Doesn't mean they didn't occur. Did Bryant ever not get a player he wanted?

[zjcvols]

Penn State abuse report is expected to be 'very tough' on Joe Paterno, according to sources - ESPN

Going to get worse.

[vol_in_ar]

of course the President and AD are going to pin as much as possible on Paternno, he's dead

[onevol74]

Originally Posted by bamawriter

Not to change subjects, but what recruiting violations was Bryant ever accused of, charged with, or sanctioned for?

From Sports Illustrated Vault:
In his later years Bryant admitted that as a driven young coach, he would have done almost anything to win. He built his Kentucky teams in the late '40s and early '50s partly by paying players to come in from Ohio and Pennsylvania. At Texas A&M, which he took from 1-9 in 1954 to the Cotton Bowl three years later, he was punished by the NCAA for recruiting violations. The young Bryant was so demanding of his players that by today's standards, he would be regarded as abusive. "I don't know how small small is," says former LSU coach Charlie McClendon, who played for Bryant at Kentucky, "but he could make you feel that way."

He left Kentucky in 1954 to accept the head coaching position at Texas A&M University. There he had his only losing season. After four years, however, his record stood at 25 wins, 14 losses, and 2 ties. In 1954 his team won the Southwest Conference title. Texas A&M won the conference title again in 1956, but was barred from participating in the Cotton Bowl because of recruiting violations. In 1957 the Aggies lost to Tennessee in the Gator Bowl, but Bryant had coached his first Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow.

Bear Bryant was a great teacher, Danny Ford, Charlie Pell, Jackie Sherrill.

Research and Google can be your friend. Some fairy tales are just not true.

[zjcvols]

Originally Posted by vol_in_il

of course the President and AD are going to pin as much as possible on Paternno, he's dead

Maybe, but this also an independent report.

[onevol74]

Originally Posted by zjcvols

Maybe, but this also an independent report.

Oh, I see, so Paterno will be able to defend himself. OK.