Goodbye Oregon Football

[CountVolcula]

Originally Posted by droski

uh oh

SPORTSbyBROOKS Lyles: Kelly Directly Involved In Possible Coverup

Shelton co-host Marcus Coleman to Lyles: “Was Chip Kelly directly in involved in the scramble for documents or was it strictly Josh Gibson?“

Lyles: “I spoke with Josh and I also spoke with Coach Kelly throughout that period and the phone records will reflect that. I spoke with both individuals.”

Shelton: “So Chip Kelly was a part of the entire deal?”

Lyles: “I spoke him with and we did discuss it, yes.”

"Sour grapes" per Wheaton

[CountVolcula]

FYI

Matt Prehm broke that story about Josh Gibson being fired. He use to post in the recruiting threads.

[Escape Goat]

Originally Posted by BearCat204

Are you in denial about everything?

Wouldn't say everything. I think he came out of the closet last year.
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[Escape Goat]

Originally Posted by CountVolcula

FYI

Matt Prehm broke that story about Josh Gibson being fired. He use to post in the recruiting threads.

Oh it was Matt? I have a hard time believing it now.
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[MaehlMan]

Clark: Amid the turmoil, Lache Seastrunk’s story left untold | Oregon Daily Emerald

Worth a look.

[droski]

Originally Posted by MaehlMan

Clark: Amid the turmoil, Lache Seastrunk’s story left untold | Oregon Daily Emerald

Worth a look.

It’s that these young men, who were sought after be some of the most prestigious football programs in the entire country, looked to Lyles during one of the most important times in their young adult lives.

which is exactly why oregon can't give the guy $25K

[hog88]

He could give his side of the story any time he wants, but I'd bet my paycheck the Ducks don't want him to say a word....

[wheaton4prez]

Originally Posted by droski

oh noes! first off 3 of those guys didnt' play the next week so lets not act like every injury was a fake one. and second it did not effect the outcome of the game.

Where did I claim that every injury was faked or that it affected the outcome of that game?

Whether or not every player faked or the cheating worked is irrelevant. Tedford tried to change the outcome of a game by having a player fake an injury. Then, he had an assistant coach take the fall for it so he didn't have to face the heat.

On the other hand, you have Oregon who hired the same service as Tedford. The only apparent difference being that Lyles told Oregon when Seastrunk wanted to visit and gave recruiting information verbally without writing a lot of it down. Where is the deliberate rule breaking to change the outcome of anything?

Originally Posted by droski

you don't understand the recruiting process at all do you?

Explain to me how Lyles telling Oregon when Seastrunk wanted to visit had a significant impact? How did not having information he gave them verbally written down significantly impact anything?

Originally Posted by droski

when have i been trumpeting tedford? i don't think he's that great, but he did do a lot for oregon. and i love the almost or nothing program comment. compared to oregon historically cal is the one of the best programs in ncaa history. remind me how many people you were drawing in the 80s and your programs liftime .350 winning %.

You seem to miss the point completely. I specified the last 10 years because Tedford was the context. Unless he is able to make some great hires like Belotti did with Kelly, he's not going to be the one to take Cal to the next level. And that's fine by me. You were the one who tried to change the subject from his cheating at Cal to what he did for Oregon when he wasn't cheating.

Originally Posted by CountVolcula

"Sour grapes" per Wheaton

No. Just old news. He said that he spoke to Kelly the first time he described the rush to comply with the written documents requirement. I don't think that matter is as outlandish as you want it to be.

Originally Posted by droski

It’s that these young men, who were sought after be some of the most prestigious football programs in the entire country, looked to Lyles during one of the most important times in their young adult lives.

which is exactly why oregon can't give the guy $25K

Which you have not been able to clearly substantiate. What rule establishes that Lyles could not help Seastrunk who didn't have the same type of parent help that most other PSAs have?

[CountVolcula]

Caple’s Corner: Hating Oregon is nothing new, but LylesGate makes it easier | Seattle PI Sports Blog - seattlepi.com

Because while there is plenty to dislike about Chip Kelly and Oregon and the way it has handled itself at pretty much every stage of this whole Lyles mess, there is one underlying fact in play here that has received little attention, but has undoubtedly helped lead to the Ducks’ evisceration in local and national media the past nine days:

There wasn’t a whole lot to like about Oregon in the first place.

You just knew there was a reason you didn’t like him, right?

Well, that’s how Huskies fans have felt about Oregon for years. Yes, their fans are the rudest and most hostile in the Pac-12, their uniforms would be considered over-the-top on Lady Gaga and the construction of their gaudy athletic facilities wouldn’t have been possible without their sugar daddy.

LOL

[VKAman]

Originally Posted by wheaton4prez

I stand corrected on the 2011 point. Though, I don't see how that changes much. It was being claimed that all of the documents he provided were outdated. They were not.

Based on what has been said, Lyles gave information verbally about 2011 recruits. It's known that they were playing catch-up with the written documents requirement. That doesn't mean that they didn't receive legitimate services otherwise.

They claim to have paid for a 2011 National Service, and yet there's not a single shred of proof that they got info on even one 2011 recruit. You don't think that's suspicious to the NCAA? You think they had 25K worth of phone conversations?

[wheaton4prez]

Originally Posted by CountVolcula

Caple’s Corner: Hating Oregon is nothing new, but LylesGate makes it easier | Seattle PI Sports Blog - seattlepi.com

Grapes so sour they're purple. Huskies are just bummed that Jake Locker couldn't beat the Ducks once in his career there. Trust me. If you've ever scanned their crowd, that's a lot of wasted #10 jerseys.

[VKAman]

Originally Posted by wheaton4prez

Grapes so sour they're purple. Huskies are just bummed that Jake Locker couldn't beat the Ducks once in his career there. Trust me. If you've ever scanned their crowd, that's a lot of wasted #10 jerseys.

Purple grapes aren't sour...

[strongtower]

Originally Posted by droski

uh oh

SPORTSbyBROOKS Lyles: Kelly Directly Involved In Possible Coverup

Shelton co-host Marcus Coleman to Lyles: “Was Chip Kelly directly in involved in the scramble for documents or was it strictly Josh Gibson?“

Lyles: “I spoke with Josh and I also spoke with Coach Kelly throughout that period and the phone records will reflect that. I spoke with both individuals.”

Shelton: “So Chip Kelly was a part of the entire deal?”

Lyles: “I spoke him with and we did discuss it, yes.”

I wonder how wheaton will houdini himself out of this one.

[wheaton4prez]

Originally Posted by VKAman

They claim to have paid for a 2011 National Service, and yet there's not a single shred of proof that they got info on even one 2011 recruit. You don't think that's suspicious to the NCAA? You think they had 25K worth of phone conversations?

A) Lyles says that he gave them information about 2011 recruits verbally (in addition to video for over 50 PSAs). Unless he is lying, that proves that they did get info for several 2011 recruits. Again, the written materials requirement is not intended to reflect everything that a team pays for or restrict them from getting information in other ways.

B) Lyles writing 2011 National Service on an invoice is not the same thing as Oregon claiming to have paid for a 2011 service.

C) Suspicion is not the same thing as demonstrating that a team broke rules.

D) They had quite a few phone calls. I don't see why good information about recruits wouldn't be worth $25k. Many other programs have paid that much for recruiting services. I know that my company would charge more than that for the amount of time those calls represent.

[wheaton4prez]

Originally Posted by VKAman

Purple grapes aren't sour...

Hah. Good point.